Numbness after microdiscectomy

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June 22, 2023 at 2:48 am

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Hi Dr Corenman,

Hope you are doing well. It’s been almost 3 years since our last conversation.

Since our last conversation, my nerve inflammation still happening until 1 year post surgery. MRI showing large fluid near spinal canal where lamina removed but MRI every 3 months showing the size is smaller and then disappear. My nerve is calmer 1 year post surgery after i took arcoxia for 5 days and no longer put pillow under my knee when sleeping. I dont know its related or not, but the nerve symptom is ease after i did that.
I still have back pain occasionally, especially when i overdo. But it always ease after rest. So i thankful i have good days for 1.5years.

Lately, i feel left back pain. Usually when i over do i feel back pain in the middle, but now on the left. When sitting i tent to sit on right buttock to reduce the pain on left back. And now i feel uncomfortable on my left leg when lay down and straight my leg. Its like my left thigh feels tight on anterior (femoral near knee). I think the source of tight muscle coming from my left buttock. I did MRI, the result is my bulging disc at L4 L5 now already healed (go back in). My previous surgery was L5S1. I also have significant bilateral foraminal stenosis at L4-S1 but this stenosis already mentioned on my previous annual MRI, no changes. I also had L2L3 facet joint effusion. The radiolog and my doctor said all okay. No changes on MRI except L4-L5 that healed. But what i feel is otherwise. I feel new pain that previously never there. Now when i walk longer than 15 min, i feel shooting pain sometimes at my left hip, other times my left crotch. Sometimes when i sit i feel burning pain at my left hip and my left thigh. But all the pain is intermittent, trigger by moving. But what that always there is when laying down, my left leg cant relax. If i try to relax, the ankle will auto sleep to the side (it automatically find the most comfortable position) while the right ankle will relax without sleep to the side. So the position of my body is assymetrical when laying down.

The tightness of my thigh disappear when i put pillow only under my left knee. And it also disappear when i bring my knee close to my stomach or just simply fold my knee up or side.
I also sometimes feel localized pain on my anterior thigh when i squat to take something that fall (i avoid bending since surgery).

It already around 2 months, the pain increasing and my neuropathy that already eased since 1.5years ago suddenly comeback. I also hear the sound my back popped when i out from the car, or when i stand up twisting from dining chair (the sound like bone cracking with bone) I also often hear my left leg sound popped when i move. But it doesnt cause pain. Just weird because all of the symtomp happened within this last 2 months.

Do you have any idea what possibly causing my issue? My spine doctor suggest me to go to hip and knee doctor. But the hip and knee doctor said that all my issue doesnt match with one desease. He said it only muscle athrophy. Thank you before.

Donald Corenman, MD, DC
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June 22, 2023 at 3:21 pm

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You could be feeling symptoms from “significant bilateral foraminal stenosis at L4-S1”

You note: “Now when i walk longer than 15 min, i feel shooting pain sometimes at my left hip, other times my left crotch. Sometimes when i sit i feel burning pain at my left hip and my left thigh. But all the pain is intermittent, trigger by moving”. Read this section to see if these symptoms fit:
https://neckandback.com/conditions/foraminal-collapse-lumbar-spine/.

If you do have foraminal stenosis, then a SNRB (see below) will diagnose it and possibly yield long tern relief if you follow these instructions.

https://neckandback.com/treatments/epidural-injections-and-selective-nerve-root-blocks-diagnostic-and-therapeutic/
https://neckandback.com/treatments/diagnostic-vs-therapeutic-injections/
https://neckandback.com/treatments/pain-diary-instructions-for-spinal-injections/

Dr. Corenman

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Donald Corenman, MD, DC is a highly-regarded spine surgeon, considered an expert in the area of neck and back pain. Trained as both a Medical Doctor and Doctor of Chiropractic, Dr. Corenman earned academic appointments as Clinical Assistant Professor and Assistant Professor of Orthopaedic Surgery at the University of Colorado Health Sciences Center, and his research on spine surgery and rehabilitation has resulted in the publication of multiple peer-reviewed articles and two books.
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Eric S

Sep 26, 2021

by Eric S on Donald Corenman, MD, DC

Successful pars repair at 46 years old

Back in November of 2018 (at 46 years old) I came from Vancouver BC to have a pars repair done with Dr. Donald Corenman at the Steadman Clinic in Vail Colorado. I'm finally posting this review nearly three years later in late 2021. The reason I waited so long was I wanted to know the final result before I posted my review. Unfortunately in that time Dr. Corenman has retired. Nevertheless, I want to post this review of Dr. Corenman and his staff at the Steadman Clinic in their excellent treatment of my L5 pars interarticularis.

I fractured my pars at age 42 back in 2014 when rolling on the gym floor, and was denied treatment by the Canadian healthcare system, probably due to my age. First my GP told me there was no surgical option for a pars defect, which was quite incorrect! I tried to live with it, but the symptoms worsened (periodic random spine slippage and weeks of resultant pain after just bending over to tie my shoe, so I eventually learned to mostly squat and hardly bend). When I finally consulted with Canadian spine surgeons, I was told they believed my pars defect had been congenital (since birth). This was absurd, considering I had done extreme martial arts (including jiu jitsu) for years prior, as well as 5 years of reinforcing steel full time in my 20s, probably the hardest job on the back you can find. No pars defect like mine would possibly have allowed this--ergo it was impossible that I had had the defect since birth. I did however have an asymptomatic congenital spina bifida occulta that made me more susceptible to a pars fracture. In 2014 in one instant, I went from having the strongest back people I knew said they'd ever seen, to being unable to safely bend over and tie my shoe without a non-negligible risk of my spine slipping randomly (which would lead to weeks of pain after each occurrence). This was due to the unilateral L5 pars defect, otherwise known as spondylolysis. It was when lying in pain on the floor 4 years later after maybe the 6th spine slippage event post injury, that I had had enough, and resolved to have surgery. If Canada's "universal health care" said no, I would make lemonade from lemons, and find the very best surgeon in the world at pars repairs. That was Dr. Donald Corenman. Dr. Corenman back in 2018 ran a website https://neckandback.com/ that dedicated many pages to the science of every aspect of pars repairs, from eligibility (good discs on MRI), to best surgical techniques (minimal open compared to minimally invasive), best imaging to use (i.e., O-Arm with Stealth imaging vs. older fluoroscopy), the ideal amount of BMP to use and why not use too much or too little, and much more, all to do with pars repairs, pages upon pages of his site just on the pars, with scientific references and his own extensive expert opinion. As a health research statistician, I was very impressed with this. It was in stark contrast to the websites of other spine surgeons which barely gave the pars a word or two, focusing almost exclusively on fusions. I had found the best surgeon in the world for pars repairs, and so after Dr. Corenman personally screened my MRI to ensure my discs were healthy, I booked the surgery.

Being 46 years old at the time of surgery in 2018, with a 4-year-old pars fracture from 2014 combined with a congenital SBO meant my pars fragment was somewhat atrophied, but it was "very solid", said Dr. Corenman in the operative report. Nevertheless, it was challenging with two things to fix, the pars and SBO, and OR time was around 4 hours. Recovery over the following months was guided by a very clear "Spine binder" from the Steadman Clinic with strict rules of "no BLT" (no bending, lifting or twisting), and illustrated physiotherapy guidelines. They even warned patients to avoid fish oil supplements, which could excessively dampen inflammation and hence slow bone healing. They answered many questions I had during months of recovery, with responses coming from the very supportive Lori Fugate (then director of Dr. Corenman's practice), and Ehrich Bean (then physician's assistant at the practice), as well as a couple calls with Dr. Corenman himself after two of the CT scans. Ehrich Bean offered great advice for taking the spine binder conservatively due to the nature of pars repairs vs. fusions. The final post-op CT scan I had was a couple weeks ago at 34 months post-op, and Dr. Corenman had retired, but I got a very positive and informative call from Eric Strauch (current PA at the Steadman Clinic under Dr. Corenman's replacement there, and who had also worked with Dr. Corenman previously). The staff at the Steadman Clinic were extremely supportive all the way through the process. I should mention, the local Canadian spine surgeon did offer me very good post-operative support including antibiotics as needed to deal with a mild surface incision-site infection early on, booking numerous x-rays when I felt something was amiss, as well as booking all four of my post-op CT scans. I am very grateful for that support also.

My final result shows plenty of solid bone across the pars and a healed SBO, with my vertebral body now a solid bone ring instead of being broken at two places as it was pre-op. Does my spine hold up in the real world? You bet! I have recently dug and moved several yards of dirt and sand and gravel by myself (shovel and wheelbarrow!) to fix our water main, pulled roots from the yard, moved several "portable" (these are HUGE) air conditioners up several flights of stairs my myself, and lifted weights. I now run 2 miles (3.2 KM) several times weekly with a hard 100 meter dash in the middle. I bend deeply before each run I go on, with no spine slippage. My spine feels amazing. I can bend over to do exercise, or real word tasks, with no risk of spine slippage.

My sincere thanks to God, Dr. Donald Corenman, Lori Fugate, Ehrich Bean, Eric Strauch, and the Steadman Clinic, as well as the Canadian spine surgeon who offered me excellent post-operative care back in Canada. You have all given me a new lease on life.

Sincerely,
Eric S

Robert S

May 11, 2021

by Robert S on Donald Corenman, MD, DC

Back Fusion Surgery

I had my entire lumbar spine fused in November of 2018. I had scoliosis , with pinched nerves that were so painful I could hardly walk - and standing for more than a few minutes was impossible. Even sitting was painful.
The fusion surgery produced immediate relief! And the recovery was much easier than I expected.
To this day I can do all the activities I love from hiking, to standing in a stream fly fishing to riding my bike long distances - or just walking down the street with my wife.
Kudos to Dr. Corenman and his staff, (including the two Erics) for taking such good care of me!

Leslie R

Jul 9, 2020

by Leslie R on Donald Corenman, MD, DC

TLIF

I had my TLIF surgery on 6/24/2020 by Dr. Corenman, I can not say enough good things about the Dr or his staff. I was always treated with respect and explained everything throughly, that made it easy for everyone to understand. I highly recommend Dr. Corenman and the Steadman Clinic.

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