Cervical Instability C1 C2

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Donald Corenman, MD, DC
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January 25, 2015 at 1:01 am

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#12059

Releasing (cutting) the anterior scalene muscle has no real consequences as it is a small muscle and any motion is still covered by the intact middle and posterior scalene muscles.

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PLEASE REMEMBER, THIS FORUM IS MEANT TO PROVIDE GENERAL INFORMATION ON SPINE ANATOMY, CONDITIONS AND TREATMENTS. TO GET AN ACCURATE DIAGNOSIS, YOU MUST VISIT A QUALIFIED PROFESSIONAL IN PERSON.

Donald Corenman, MD, DC is a highly-regarded spine surgeon, considered an expert in the area of neck and back pain. Trained as both a Medical Doctor and Doctor of Chiropractic, Dr. Corenman earned academic appointments as Clinical Assistant Professor and Assistant Professor of Orthopaedic Surgery at the University of Colorado Health Sciences Center, and his research on spine surgery and rehabilitation has resulted in the publication of multiple peer-reviewed articles and two books.

patrice
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January 25, 2015 at 1:25 am

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#12061

Great news! Thanks so much for everything!

kelleydr72
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February 23, 2015 at 8:17 am

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Hello, My son tore his cervical spine capsular ligament and cracked the atlas bone.
He did so at a playground. He hit head first from 5-6 ft up, the surface below was wood chips and fiberglassed concrete for which thankfully the US Product Safety Commission made the park resurface but the damage was done.

My question is why now a year and 7 months later does my son still have pain. He has always had pain since the injury in 3 places. He is five now but has always pointed to his left lower posterior neck and dead center posteriorly and when I wash his hair he points to the front dead center.

Why does he still have pain? Also why does his neck made a audible loud pop heard by others in the room when he rolls his head right and back and around. (he has had the weird gliding pop noise since the injury just as loud.)
It sounds loud and like something is not anatomically correct with his neck motion.
I am a nurse at Baylor on a orhto/neuro unit and a spine surgeon there saw my son and recreated the injury by pressing down on my son head and my son had the same pain months after being out of a c collar. It was called something sign I forget the test name but he was positive. I am concerned by the lasting pain and wonder if it will continue, worsen or ever just go away since it has been 19 months or so.

My son had gagging and dry heaving and grasped his throat when I used to wash his hair closer to the injury time, at least that is gone but he still has the pain??
I was told by a cooks childrens spine doctor he thought the pain and pop was unrarelated yet HELLO it only started with my sons injury and I know this as his mom and a nurse and has never went away. PRior to the injury my son had four pain free, pop free years so I am convinced it is realated. (I wanted my money back after seeing that last doctor this summer about the continued pain, UGH no answers.)Why does he have these persistant symptoms and what should I do? (That last doc said never any contact sports by the way which my son was made for football at 4 ft 2 and 90 pounds already at five yrs.)

Donald Corenman, MD, DC
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February 23, 2015 at 8:43 am

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I assume that your son suffered a fracture of the joint surfaces of the upper two vertebra (C1-2) and the healing of the bone was somewhat displaced (off-set). This makes the joint surfaces incongruent (creating a step-off). When the two vertebra move on each other, this uneven joint surface “catches” and creates a painful “pop”.

A CT scan can reveal this. Occasionally an MRI can also reveal this finding.

Dr. Corenman

PLEASE REMEMBER, THIS FORUM IS MEANT TO PROVIDE GENERAL INFORMATION ON SPINE ANATOMY, CONDITIONS AND TREATMENTS. TO GET AN ACCURATE DIAGNOSIS, YOU MUST VISIT A QUALIFIED PROFESSIONAL IN PERSON.

Donald Corenman, MD, DC is a highly-regarded spine surgeon, considered an expert in the area of neck and back pain. Trained as both a Medical Doctor and Doctor of Chiropractic, Dr. Corenman earned academic appointments as Clinical Assistant Professor and Assistant Professor of Orthopaedic Surgery at the University of Colorado Health Sciences Center, and his research on spine surgery and rehabilitation has resulted in the publication of multiple peer-reviewed articles and two books.

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March 3, 2015 at 7:13 am

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Can you have instability on c1 and c2 with a chiropractor manipulation or would this be a faucet joint? I’m starting to have slight pain on the right side of my neck at the base of my skull. It clicks when I do my floor exercises where I lift my head off the floor. It also has a small pop when I look to my left. The pain at the base of my skull is pretty much constant. Its bareable now just scares me. The only painful pop is leaning my head a little forward to the left its a small painful pop. The weird thing was the chiropractor said my c1 was lose and he would give me decompression and maybe it would fall back in place. If it is the faucet joint that is loose and will that cause arthristis is that dangerous when it comes to stroke?

river1
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June 20, 2016 at 8:56 am

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Pete1220,

I am currently suffering almost the exact symptoms. Did you ever find out the source of your problem and any relief? My symptoms actually started with several bouts of dizziness and a TIA. But two months later I am suffering almost everything you were. Any insight appreciated.
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Eric S

Sep 26, 2021

by Eric S on Donald Corenman, MD, DC

Successful pars repair at 46 years old

Back in November of 2018 (at 46 years old) I came from Vancouver BC to have a pars repair done with Dr. Donald Corenman at the Steadman Clinic in Vail Colorado. I'm finally posting this review nearly three years later in late 2021. The reason I waited so long was I wanted to know the final result before I posted my review. Unfortunately in that time Dr. Corenman has retired. Nevertheless, I want to post this review of Dr. Corenman and his staff at the Steadman Clinic in their excellent treatment of my L5 pars interarticularis.

I fractured my pars at age 42 back in 2014 when rolling on the gym floor, and was denied treatment by the Canadian healthcare system, probably due to my age. First my GP told me there was no surgical option for a pars defect, which was quite incorrect! I tried to live with it, but the symptoms worsened (periodic random spine slippage and weeks of resultant pain after just bending over to tie my shoe, so I eventually learned to mostly squat and hardly bend). When I finally consulted with Canadian spine surgeons, I was told they believed my pars defect had been congenital (since birth). This was absurd, considering I had done extreme martial arts (including jiu jitsu) for years prior, as well as 5 years of reinforcing steel full time in my 20s, probably the hardest job on the back you can find. No pars defect like mine would possibly have allowed this--ergo it was impossible that I had had the defect since birth. I did however have an asymptomatic congenital spina bifida occulta that made me more susceptible to a pars fracture. In 2014 in one instant, I went from having the strongest back people I knew said they'd ever seen, to being unable to safely bend over and tie my shoe without a non-negligible risk of my spine slipping randomly (which would lead to weeks of pain after each occurrence). This was due to the unilateral L5 pars defect, otherwise known as spondylolysis. It was when lying in pain on the floor 4 years later after maybe the 6th spine slippage event post injury, that I had had enough, and resolved to have surgery. If Canada's "universal health care" said no, I would make lemonade from lemons, and find the very best surgeon in the world at pars repairs. That was Dr. Donald Corenman. Dr. Corenman back in 2018 ran a website https://neckandback.com/ that dedicated many pages to the science of every aspect of pars repairs, from eligibility (good discs on MRI), to best surgical techniques (minimal open compared to minimally invasive), best imaging to use (i.e., O-Arm with Stealth imaging vs. older fluoroscopy), the ideal amount of BMP to use and why not use too much or too little, and much more, all to do with pars repairs, pages upon pages of his site just on the pars, with scientific references and his own extensive expert opinion. As a health research statistician, I was very impressed with this. It was in stark contrast to the websites of other spine surgeons which barely gave the pars a word or two, focusing almost exclusively on fusions. I had found the best surgeon in the world for pars repairs, and so after Dr. Corenman personally screened my MRI to ensure my discs were healthy, I booked the surgery.

Being 46 years old at the time of surgery in 2018, with a 4-year-old pars fracture from 2014 combined with a congenital SBO meant my pars fragment was somewhat atrophied, but it was "very solid", said Dr. Corenman in the operative report. Nevertheless, it was challenging with two things to fix, the pars and SBO, and OR time was around 4 hours. Recovery over the following months was guided by a very clear "Spine binder" from the Steadman Clinic with strict rules of "no BLT" (no bending, lifting or twisting), and illustrated physiotherapy guidelines. They even warned patients to avoid fish oil supplements, which could excessively dampen inflammation and hence slow bone healing. They answered many questions I had during months of recovery, with responses coming from the very supportive Lori Fugate (then director of Dr. Corenman's practice), and Ehrich Bean (then physician's assistant at the practice), as well as a couple calls with Dr. Corenman himself after two of the CT scans. Ehrich Bean offered great advice for taking the spine binder conservatively due to the nature of pars repairs vs. fusions. The final post-op CT scan I had was a couple weeks ago at 34 months post-op, and Dr. Corenman had retired, but I got a very positive and informative call from Eric Strauch (current PA at the Steadman Clinic under Dr. Corenman's replacement there, and who had also worked with Dr. Corenman previously). The staff at the Steadman Clinic were extremely supportive all the way through the process. I should mention, the local Canadian spine surgeon did offer me very good post-operative support including antibiotics as needed to deal with a mild surface incision-site infection early on, booking numerous x-rays when I felt something was amiss, as well as booking all four of my post-op CT scans. I am very grateful for that support also.

My final result shows plenty of solid bone across the pars and a healed SBO, with my vertebral body now a solid bone ring instead of being broken at two places as it was pre-op. Does my spine hold up in the real world? You bet! I have recently dug and moved several yards of dirt and sand and gravel by myself (shovel and wheelbarrow!) to fix our water main, pulled roots from the yard, moved several "portable" (these are HUGE) air conditioners up several flights of stairs my myself, and lifted weights. I now run 2 miles (3.2 KM) several times weekly with a hard 100 meter dash in the middle. I bend deeply before each run I go on, with no spine slippage. My spine feels amazing. I can bend over to do exercise, or real word tasks, with no risk of spine slippage.

My sincere thanks to God, Dr. Donald Corenman, Lori Fugate, Ehrich Bean, Eric Strauch, and the Steadman Clinic, as well as the Canadian spine surgeon who offered me excellent post-operative care back in Canada. You have all given me a new lease on life.

Sincerely,
Eric S

Robert S

May 11, 2021

by Robert S on Donald Corenman, MD, DC

Back Fusion Surgery

I had my entire lumbar spine fused in November of 2018. I had scoliosis , with pinched nerves that were so painful I could hardly walk - and standing for more than a few minutes was impossible. Even sitting was painful.
The fusion surgery produced immediate relief! And the recovery was much easier than I expected.
To this day I can do all the activities I love from hiking, to standing in a stream fly fishing to riding my bike long distances - or just walking down the street with my wife.
Kudos to Dr. Corenman and his staff, (including the two Erics) for taking such good care of me!

Leslie R

Jul 9, 2020

by Leslie R on Donald Corenman, MD, DC

TLIF

I had my TLIF surgery on 6/24/2020 by Dr. Corenman, I can not say enough good things about the Dr or his staff. I was always treated with respect and explained everything throughly, that made it easy for everyone to understand. I highly recommend Dr. Corenman and the Steadman Clinic.

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