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  • Dragonfly
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    Hi, I’m new here and saw your post regarding prolotherapy? Could you tell me if it had worked for you? I’m reading posts from years back but just joined and are finding so many of you that have such similar struggles. Any information and support would help.
    Thank you
    Andrea

    Donald Corenman, MD, DC
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    How do you know your ligaments have been overstretched? Ligament injury can go from tears (too much motion) to contractures (too little motion). With this type of mal-motion, joints can degenerate (arthritis) which is somewhat common. Neurological injury can occur which can radiate pain in unusual patterns. Constant pain with activity can create reactive depression (https://neckandback.com/conditions/back-neck-pain-reactive-depression/) and pain magnification syndromes.

    Some of your symptoms should not originate from the occiput-C2 levels (“I off and in experience pain in my joints in my fingers numbness in my thumb finer nail my index and middle finger and arm, at times it hurts so bad I can’t make a fist”) unless there is injury to the cord at the upper level (which would be highly unusual).

    The symptoms “when the spasms between my shoulder blades start its shattering and brings you to your knees! It pinches and pounds so hard it worsens to even inhale deep” should not originate from the upper neck but these symptoms can generally originate from the lower neck (C4-T1). I assume that you have had a workup that can shed light on the lower neck.

    Dr. Corenman

    PLEASE REMEMBER, THIS FORUM IS MEANT TO PROVIDE GENERAL INFORMATION ON SPINE ANATOMY, CONDITIONS AND TREATMENTS. TO GET AN ACCURATE DIAGNOSIS, YOU MUST VISIT A QUALIFIED PROFESSIONAL IN PERSON.
     
    Donald Corenman, MD, DC is a highly-regarded spine surgeon, considered an expert in the area of neck and back pain. Trained as both a Medical Doctor and Doctor of Chiropractic, Dr. Corenman earned academic appointments as Clinical Assistant Professor and Assistant Professor of Orthopaedic Surgery at the University of Colorado Health Sciences Center, and his research on spine surgery and rehabilitation has resulted in the publication of multiple peer-reviewed articles and two books.
    Dragonfly
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    I was diagnosed with ligament laxity in my neck and upper back, it’s something I never new I had as far as being hypermobile and that it made me subseptable to injury. With no other previous injurys or severe health conditions I experienced a car accident over two years ago, and was at a stop while I was hit full force at 50mph.. From there I checked out ok but had pain so I had been in physical therapy for a bulging disc which is the only thing they related the pain to. But after 7months of treatment they suggested I seek other areas of treatment because they could not pin point why I was feeling still so bad. They had done pressure points on me around my neck and back region and it was so painful and created other areas of my body to hurt when pressure was applied. Like if he pressed on a side of my neck I could feel the pain in my eye arm, etc.. Just examples.. They also did traction and massage and I had a tens unit. But after time I saught pain mgmt which I went through trigger point injections and facet injections, and the use of narcotics for pain and muscle relaxers, I began to be one depressed and had terrible time sleeping so I was also placed on Cymbalta and resteril for sleep..But still no recovery, I have had chiropractic and osteo manipulation, the manipulation was amazing and was the only treatment that gave me immediate relief but it would return just minutes after… We saought out a specialist who did testing MRI DMx brain scan ct scan and XRays and said it was due to my ligaments suddenly being over stretched by such force and already having the Hypermobility made it worse.. I from there was told prolotherapy would be a good form of treatment and am now seeing that by a specialist who also said I had laxity. No matter what I do even the simplest of things like brushing my teeth folding laundry writing, I get awful spasms that cause such agony, I also experience heavy head like my heads to heavy for my neck. My spine at times feels like it’s got so much weight and the pain becomes so unbearable it feels like my spine is going to break in half. I crack also bad and frequently in my upper back, during manipulation my neck would crack so loud but if feel immediate relief. They said because my ligaments are over stretched my muscle keeps spasming to keep the spine in place. They said its instability and that’s exactly what it feels like, like constant movement dislocates my joints. Sitting especially increases the pain and heaviness.. My hand has become worse and can’t write for long periods of time it’s very random and inconsistent but my thumb nail is usually numb and I get pain in my hand fingers and arm. During a massage and area around my shoulder blades was pressed and it automatically made my arm and fingers hurt.. It’s been debilitating I could be adjusted and moments later I fall back out of place.. They also said my jaw when in movement shifts to the right, ever sense the accident my jaw hurts and even the muscles in my face seem so tight like I can’t relax them. My teeth began to hurt I thought I had cavities but my dentist said I’m clinching my teeth from the pain I’m constantly in which is causing the teeth pain..Thank you for replying and suggestions would help.Btw I’m only 32, and most Dr’s are confused because I’m in good health and young and they just don’t understand why my body won’t heal. But sense then with the diagnosis ligament over stretched is a permanent thing without treatment.
    Thank you
    Andrea

    Donald Corenman, MD, DC
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    Be careful about your diagnosis. There are disorders of the upper cervical spine that are present but undiagnosed by many physicians. I am relatively sure you have not had facet blocks of C1-2 (or occiput-C1 for that matter) as the individuals who do that procedure are hyper-specialized and normally don’t get these referrals. Hyper-mobility of C1-2 is very rare and most other diagnoses (C1-2 osteoarthritis or C2-3 facet degeneration) are much more common. I am not a fan of DMX motion films as these videos over-diagnose disorders that are many times not there. As I said, be very careful of prolotherapy in this area as the consequences of a maldirected injection can be catastrophic.

    Dr. Corenman

    PLEASE REMEMBER, THIS FORUM IS MEANT TO PROVIDE GENERAL INFORMATION ON SPINE ANATOMY, CONDITIONS AND TREATMENTS. TO GET AN ACCURATE DIAGNOSIS, YOU MUST VISIT A QUALIFIED PROFESSIONAL IN PERSON.
     
    Donald Corenman, MD, DC is a highly-regarded spine surgeon, considered an expert in the area of neck and back pain. Trained as both a Medical Doctor and Doctor of Chiropractic, Dr. Corenman earned academic appointments as Clinical Assistant Professor and Assistant Professor of Orthopaedic Surgery at the University of Colorado Health Sciences Center, and his research on spine surgery and rehabilitation has resulted in the publication of multiple peer-reviewed articles and two books.
    Travis
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    Frog37 I pretty much have the exact same symptoms as you, a little different though, I have extremely watery eyes and face pain, extreme fatigue, and have been dealing with them for about 7 months now. Have you had any success with any treatments? I know you posted years ago but please respond if you see this, I need to find something that works, I feel like I’m dying.

    Dragonfly
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    Hi Travis,
    I had posted a similar question to that post that was so similar to mine as well, I was hoping and praying to hear back even though it was over 2years that post was created. But I saw your response and I cAnt tell you how sorry I am, I know exactly what your enduring, it’s so scary and there’s not much relief in site. I’ve learned having this for over 2years there is a lot of diagnosis failures and treatment, I just got my diagnosis two years into it, I’m 33 and besides this have not have any disabling pain, always been active. Long story short I have ligament damage which is causing my muscles to compensate and stabilize my spine from a car accident. Forever they were treating the muscle spasms but not understanding the cause of it, so I honestly spasm over literally anything. I sweat a lot my heart races I have jaw pain headaches you name it. This injury does not show up on regular MRI or XRay, I was fortunate to finally find a Dr who new exactly what it was and I had a DMX done which is an X-ray but with your body actually in movement which showed why my pain was so severe. And it is deteriorating over the length of time it’s been injured. I had physical therapy, chiropractic care, osteopathic manipulation, pain mgmt, injections for trigger point or and facet injections. But found that a treatment called prolotherapy is one of the few to work for this injury, because ligaments don’t heal on their own and are what stabilize you and help your body to move, it’s like a rubber band being overstretched and once it is it can’t go back to its normal size to hold things in place. If that makes sense. Prolotherapy helps to inflame the areas to help shrink the ligaments back but it is a long process and is a very traumatic injury to have. I’d love to talk with you more if you need too, I know how hard this is and few understand.
    Andrea

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