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    As always, thanks for the response. Just as a quick follow-up, presumably at this point this would need to be a pain management consultation? How would they know what level to potentially inject given four or five diseased levels? And would this be in your experience more of a trans foraminal/selective nerve root block or an epidural steroid injection? I know that the anatomy is significantly different in the thoracic area along with increased risks due to presence of the spinal cord as well as mid the Resik location of anterior spinal artery blood supply.

    BillL
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    Dr Corenman:
    Since the last post the updated thoracic MRI returned probably not greatly different than previous study. “Mild dextrooconvex thoracolumber curve.” Also at T5/6 left paracentral disc bulge with mild anterolateral cord deformation, at T6/7 left paracentral protrusion with left cord deformation, at T8/9 small midline protrusion with mild anterior cord deformation,and T10/11 mild broad based left sided disc protrusion with effacement of anterolateral thecal sac without cord deformation.

    Abdominal MRI done per GI doc verbal initial reading by radiologist seems negative with official report due 8/12. Up to date on colonoscopy 1.5 years ago and periodic EGD UTD. Possible faint thigh weakness at times going up stairs but could be imagination. To Further complicate had elevated total CK this past week 365 (upper cut 200 – Age 55), but had also been doing some home exercises and also take rosuvastatin.

    Ortho/spine who ordered thoracic MRI said little other than that the cord was not markedly compressed, that he had never done non traumatic thoracic disc surgeries, that surgery not pursued without severe compression and that’s about it. No plan from here or even sure of exact cause. Didn’t seem very interested overall once MRI resulted. At times feel a momentary sharp pinch sensation LUQ abdomen randomly or with some positional change (plus the original Sx).

    At this point not sure next course of options? GI is going to stay in his specialty area. I would also think that thoracic MRI being done standard supine could possibly underestimate degree of issue vs weight bearing either standing or sitting (although sitting remains the primary issue)? And finally, given Hx of multiple Lumbar discectomies/degen disease can a left lumbar issue including facet produce similar symptoms? Can subtle lumbar instability? Still no leg pain either side.

    Any additional insight appreciated.
    Thanks

    BillL
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    Thanks, and I understand your point. Thoracic MRI pending. Can follow up but a bit hard to tell if this could be source of symptoms assuming medical causes not proven and especially if Thoracic MRI is largely unchanged…

    BillL
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    Thanks for the response. There was an addendum post after the first to correct that previous MRI was 2015 and not 2005.

    Since the post, abdominal U/S negative other than trace gallbladder sludge, and while pancreas was unremarkable the radiologist stated U/S not optimal for pancreatic Ca sensitivity (gland not obscured by gas per tech). Also oddly a minimal amylase elevation 110 (Normal to 100), and normal lipase at 26, rest of labs including CRP and Sed Rate normal.

    Plan to update thoracic MRI right away. But if stable,no change, or maybe slight worsening how to interpret this scenario or proceed next?
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    BillL
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    Okay, and as always, thanks for the additional insight. I certainly don’t want to keep harassing you with questions but in this setting would an L4 CT be mandatory? The second surgeon acted like he would be leery without that to estimate bone remaining after the laminotomy and medial factetectomy. Could a Metrix be done safely without the CT?

    And two adjacent annulotomies close together with max 30% strength after scarring….any concerns about the annulus blowing out so to speak laterally?
    Thanks

    BillL
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    Dr. Corenman:
    I am trying to hold off MRI another couple weeks until week 8 post op to be more to the liking of the original surgeon and maybe better accuracy….

    I did speak with at least one local surgeon who does some far lateral access discectomies but for a second procedure Accessing from that position per his usual minimally invasive dilator method he was a bit cautious (even if a residual or recurrent herniation is confirmed on MRI). He suggested that at least with the minimalist approach that he would have to remove more bone laterally including some off the superior facet joint area. He seemed a bit concerned about how much bone was removed by the laminotomy and partial medial facetectomy. Suggestion was if not enough bone left only recourse would be a TLIF?

    He also mentioned the symptoms of late mainly around the posterior right belt line, at times laterally about halfway between the iliac crest/femoral head, and occasionally just below the ASIS as maybe having hip or hip girdle Sx, yet hip exam normal. Sitting and rising from sitting after a while seems to somewhat briefly radiate a discomfort in one of those areas. My PT also started trying to track that direction due to this being “non-dermatomal” or maybe atypical. No problems walking or climbing stairs, etc.

    I read one article that suggested there might be some paramedian approaches with a slightly longer incision (vs minimal dilator) that could completely spare bone removal laterally? I have concerns to avoid TLIF if at all possible and concerns about effects of violating the superior facet joint and it’s capsule…..? Instability? Arthritis? Facet pain? And not sure about this hip girdle concept as it seems the other doctor perhaps wanted to consider that before tracking to a revision surgery….

    Any thoughts appreciated…

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