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  • Donald Corenman, MD, DC
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    The block is a very good indication of the SI joints being the pain generators. It very well may be that the IFuse surgery could be helpful. Don’t think of these in terms of an implantable device (although they are) but in terms of a fusion device that will assist in causing the SI joints to stop moving and generating pain.

    The SI joints fibrose when we get older. When young, the motion of the SI joint is about one degree.

    Recovery for the IFuse procedure can be from a minimum of eight weeks to sixteen weeks. It depends upon how quickly these devices develop bone ingrowth. There should be no change of ROM noticeable after a solid fusion. Once you have a fusion, you can ride your Harley.

    Short legs do not relate to a fusion of the sacroiliac joints as these joints are so rigid that you cannot affect them by the fusion. That is, a surgeon cannot rotate the right SI joint down and the left SI joint up during surgery.

    In my opinion, PT is necessary after an SI fusion but not until the fusion is solid.

    You should be able to get around with crutches or a walker immediately but you should be living in a one story house. Stairs can be quite challenging. It is surgeon preference for partial weight bearing from six to twelve weeks.

    Dr. Corenman

    PLEASE REMEMBER, THIS FORUM IS MEANT TO PROVIDE GENERAL INFORMATION ON SPINE ANATOMY, CONDITIONS AND TREATMENTS. TO GET AN ACCURATE DIAGNOSIS, YOU MUST VISIT A QUALIFIED PROFESSIONAL IN PERSON.
     
    Donald Corenman, MD, DC is a highly-regarded spine surgeon, considered an expert in the area of neck and back pain. Trained as both a Medical Doctor and Doctor of Chiropractic, Dr. Corenman earned academic appointments as Clinical Assistant Professor and Assistant Professor of Orthopaedic Surgery at the University of Colorado Health Sciences Center, and his research on spine surgery and rehabilitation has resulted in the publication of multiple peer-reviewed articles and two books.
    Donald Corenman, MD, DC
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    Unilateral pain deep in the gluteus muscle is more likely radicular pain from a compressed nerve. The leaning position could indicate foraminal stenosis (see website for description) as this position opens the foramen. McKenzie exercises (back extension position) should not relieve your pain if this disorder is foraminal stenosis as this maneuver narrows the foramen or lateral recess even more.

    The microdiscectomy is not the problem that “undermines” the disc. It is the original degenerative changes of the disc and the full annular tear that allows the nucleus to “squirt out” of this through and through tear. The real problem is related to genetics and activity.

    I do not generally recommend other physicians as I do not really know the quality of their work. Ask around. Get some word of mouth recommendations. Look up the surgeon on the internet. Look at this site for questions to ask the surgeon.

    Dr. Corenman

    PLEASE REMEMBER, THIS FORUM IS MEANT TO PROVIDE GENERAL INFORMATION ON SPINE ANATOMY, CONDITIONS AND TREATMENTS. TO GET AN ACCURATE DIAGNOSIS, YOU MUST VISIT A QUALIFIED PROFESSIONAL IN PERSON.
     
    Donald Corenman, MD, DC is a highly-regarded spine surgeon, considered an expert in the area of neck and back pain. Trained as both a Medical Doctor and Doctor of Chiropractic, Dr. Corenman earned academic appointments as Clinical Assistant Professor and Assistant Professor of Orthopaedic Surgery at the University of Colorado Health Sciences Center, and his research on spine surgery and rehabilitation has resulted in the publication of multiple peer-reviewed articles and two books.
    Donald Corenman, MD, DC
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    You have a classic history of a large extruded herniated disc at L5-S1 which compressed the S1 root. This root supplies the calf muscles (gastroc-soleus group). These muscles “push the foot down” when walking and running. A weakness of these muscles will cause a type of limp and make it difficult to run, hike and climb stairs.

    You underwent a microdiscectomy of L5-S1 and your pain improved but the motor weakness did not. You also have a “burning” pain residual in that leg. You notice increased weakness with prolonged walking and running.

    This is unfortunately typical for a chronic radiculopathy (see website). The nerve was injured by the large disc herniation and even though the herniation was surgically removed, the nerve has yet to recover. The burning sensation is typical for a nerve injury. The reason the leg becomes weaker with activity is that only a small portion of the muscle cells are firing in that muscle group. Most of the muscle cells are not getting the signal from the brain to contract and the ones that are still connected are too few to give a normal contraction.

    These working muscle cells fatigue easily as they are overloaded with work and cannot “keep up” with the load. This is why with continued exercise, the leg feels weaker.

    Muscle cells that are not connected to the brain are called “deinnervated”. These cells have a number of ways to recover but this takes time. Some of the recovery methods are budding (sprouting), functional recovery , nerve regeneration and muscle hypertrophy. Budding is a phenomenon where the deinnervated muscle cells puts out a neurochemotactic factor. This is a chemical “cry for help” and any close functioning nerve will bud or sprout a branch to connect with this muscle cell. This can take 12-16 weeks.

    The second recovery method is functional recovery. This is where the nerve itself that was damaged will heal which allows the signal to continue down the nerve. The functional block could be from damage to the insulation (myelin) or malfunction of the membrane of the nerve. Recovery should take place relatively quickly.

    The third recovery method is by axonal regeneration. If the nerve was severed but the insulation sheath (myelin) was left intact, the nerve can grow down this pathway. The nerve grows at about one inch per month. The problem with the S1 nerve is that it is the longest nerve in the body with some examples at 22 inches long. It could take many months for the nerve to grow down to the muscle in the leg (this is assuming the insulation sheath is still intact). If it takes longer than 12-18 months to reconnect with the muscle cells, these cells will atrophy and fibrose. This means that even if the nerve grows and reconnects, the muscle cells will be useless and not be able to contract.

    The last possibility for recovery is muscle hypertrophy. Arnold Schwarzenegger is what many individuals think of for muscle hypertrophy and that thought is not far off. The residual muscles can be conditioned to become stronger and last longer. Training is the key for this and this result may take three of more months of hard work to achieve success.

    Dr. Corenman

    PLEASE REMEMBER, THIS FORUM IS MEANT TO PROVIDE GENERAL INFORMATION ON SPINE ANATOMY, CONDITIONS AND TREATMENTS. TO GET AN ACCURATE DIAGNOSIS, YOU MUST VISIT A QUALIFIED PROFESSIONAL IN PERSON.
     
    Donald Corenman, MD, DC is a highly-regarded spine surgeon, considered an expert in the area of neck and back pain. Trained as both a Medical Doctor and Doctor of Chiropractic, Dr. Corenman earned academic appointments as Clinical Assistant Professor and Assistant Professor of Orthopaedic Surgery at the University of Colorado Health Sciences Center, and his research on spine surgery and rehabilitation has resulted in the publication of multiple peer-reviewed articles and two books.
    Donald Corenman, MD, DC
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    You have 100% sacroiliac pain or pain lateral to the sacrum without leg pain. You do not mention lower back pain (area around the “small of the back” in the center of the spine at the beltline). You do not mention what side the sacroiliac pain is focused on. Is it right sided only or bilateral?

    Sacroiliac pain is the one area that can have multiple origins. This includes disc pain, nerve pain, facet pain, and sacroiliac joint origin in the order from most common to least common origin. However, buttocks pain (lower than the sacroiliac joint) commonly originates from nerve root compression.

    You have disc height loss with endplate changes at L5-S1. This most likely is “isolated disc resorption” (IDR) and one of the most common origins of back and sacroiliac pain. You also have a disc herniation at L5-S1 on the right causing some compression of the S1 root. This too can cause right sided sacroiliac pain and more commonly causes buttocks pain. The facet cannot be ruled out as a pain generator by your description.

    I am unclear regarding your leaning position; “I also lean to my left side about 25 degrees and and bend forward”. Is this a posture you assume to relieve pain or a position you are locked into (a list)?

    In general, sacroiliac pain or/and buttocks pain originating from the spine can be disabling and incapacitating but generally is not dangerous. If you can manage with the epidurals, that is not a bad way to go. I have patients out 15 years continuing to get epidurals with good success although these injections do become less effective over the years for many patients. I have seen relatively few problems with most patients continuing to obtain epidurals other than ineffectiveness.

    The question you ask is whether a microdiscetomy will be helpful. For lower back pain, the microdiscectomy surgery is about 50/50 in regards to satisfaction after surgery. However, if the compression of the S1 nerve is causing SI or buttocks pain, the success rate for surgery is closer to 90%. This assumes that the SI pain is on the same side as the herniation and a selective nerve root block temporarily eliminates the pain.

    If the disc degeneration of L5-S1 (IDR) is the cause of the pain, a microdiscectomy will not relieve the pain. The way to determine if the L5-S1 disc is causing the pain is with a discogram (see website). If the facet is causing the pain, facet blocks will reveal if this structure is the pain generator.

    Dr. Corenman

    PLEASE REMEMBER, THIS FORUM IS MEANT TO PROVIDE GENERAL INFORMATION ON SPINE ANATOMY, CONDITIONS AND TREATMENTS. TO GET AN ACCURATE DIAGNOSIS, YOU MUST VISIT A QUALIFIED PROFESSIONAL IN PERSON.
     
    Donald Corenman, MD, DC is a highly-regarded spine surgeon, considered an expert in the area of neck and back pain. Trained as both a Medical Doctor and Doctor of Chiropractic, Dr. Corenman earned academic appointments as Clinical Assistant Professor and Assistant Professor of Orthopaedic Surgery at the University of Colorado Health Sciences Center, and his research on spine surgery and rehabilitation has resulted in the publication of multiple peer-reviewed articles and two books.
    Donald Corenman, MD, DC
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    in reply to: spinol injurry #7110

    I should be able to reply by next week. If you do not see a response, please call Margaret at the 888 number.

    Dr. Corenman

    PLEASE REMEMBER, THIS FORUM IS MEANT TO PROVIDE GENERAL INFORMATION ON SPINE ANATOMY, CONDITIONS AND TREATMENTS. TO GET AN ACCURATE DIAGNOSIS, YOU MUST VISIT A QUALIFIED PROFESSIONAL IN PERSON.
     
    Donald Corenman, MD, DC is a highly-regarded spine surgeon, considered an expert in the area of neck and back pain. Trained as both a Medical Doctor and Doctor of Chiropractic, Dr. Corenman earned academic appointments as Clinical Assistant Professor and Assistant Professor of Orthopaedic Surgery at the University of Colorado Health Sciences Center, and his research on spine surgery and rehabilitation has resulted in the publication of multiple peer-reviewed articles and two books.
    Donald Corenman, MD, DC
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    in reply to: spinol injurry #7107

    My pleasure. I am not sure that surgery is in your son’s future but there are some treatments that might yield some relief. I will await your contact information and images.

    Dr. Corenman

    PLEASE REMEMBER, THIS FORUM IS MEANT TO PROVIDE GENERAL INFORMATION ON SPINE ANATOMY, CONDITIONS AND TREATMENTS. TO GET AN ACCURATE DIAGNOSIS, YOU MUST VISIT A QUALIFIED PROFESSIONAL IN PERSON.
     
    Donald Corenman, MD, DC is a highly-regarded spine surgeon, considered an expert in the area of neck and back pain. Trained as both a Medical Doctor and Doctor of Chiropractic, Dr. Corenman earned academic appointments as Clinical Assistant Professor and Assistant Professor of Orthopaedic Surgery at the University of Colorado Health Sciences Center, and his research on spine surgery and rehabilitation has resulted in the publication of multiple peer-reviewed articles and two books.
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