L5-S1 DISC HERNIATION, TWO BACK SURGERIES.

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PFCRANGER
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January 30, 2013 at 7:37 am

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Update on condition, I saw the surgeon about the continuing pain and issues with walking. He reviewed the MRI and took X rays, what the MRI states he agrees with as I wrote previously. The X rays are good as well all looks like its healing well. He prescribed Lyrica and I will be starting PT Thursday. Doctor states that the nerve is damaged and because I had Peroneal palsy that the never may not recover. The fact that I had 3 herniation and 3 surgeries with the last one being a fusion the nerve has been through alot. So I will see where the next set of treatment will take me. The pain is horrible and I can’t do much example walking for 20 min sitting or staning for 20 to 30 min all these activites cause me alot of pain. I will keep the fourm up to date on he progress.

catmadni
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January 30, 2013 at 7:48 am

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PF

There’s got to be more they can do than just PT. Are you satisfied with this surgeon? Maybe Doc Corenman can recommend another type of physician or treatment. You’re suffering too much.

Mike

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January 30, 2013 at 6:29 pm

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Let’s go back to your symptoms prior to surgery. How has your pain changed since your surgery? Be specific regarding your back pain and separately your leg pain.

The surgeon is correct in that after three disc hernations, the general rule is to perform a fusion along with a decompression as the nerve root does not tolerate three different compressive episodes well.

I assume that the doctor meant that you had sciatic nerve damage as “peroneal nerve palsy” is a peripheral nerve injury at the fibular head in the knee.

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PFCRANGER
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January 31, 2013 at 9:09 pm

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The surgeon is well know in this area, I mean the guy operated on the New York Jets and wrote many books on spin injuries as well as neurological conditions. But for me I seem to be a rare case. When I had the fusion he brought on board another very well accredited orthopedic surgeon and they were very confident that a fusion would correct the issue. Now that it’s all done I very worse and in more pain I have to agree with Dr. Corenman in regards to nerve damage which both docs agree on. It’s just a waiting game now to see where PT will take me. How are you doing, I know you have issues as well?

PFCRANGER
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January 31, 2013 at 9:16 pm

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Prior to the surgery the back pain was mild to sever depending on activity load walking would cause more pain then sitting. As far as leg pain prior to the fusion it was pretty bad it was sever at times and when in a relaxed state mild. After the fusion both back and leg pain have been sever, both sitting standing walking and laying down the pain is there. I have has 3 episodes of trouble with my right foot with lossing balance and slipping taking a dip and rolling over on my right ankle. Yes I assume that’s what he meant as well when he preformed the drop foot test I did indeed have drop foot and he said I had peroneal palsy. On the resent appointment he preformed a telex test on my knee and ankle which I had no reaction to, the weird thing tho that it was in both legs no reaction. I still cannot walk on the balls of my feet and I can get up on my toes but not long with the right foot and when I do it’s painful.

catmadni
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February 1, 2013 at 4:40 am

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PF

I’m about the same. Still very little muscle contraction in the left calf. Denervation and atrophy is obvious. The duration and extent of recovery. if any, is the question

My back seems strong. I have not re-herniated. The most bothersome is the constant twangs, pangs, ongoing, burning, and everything else that goes on in my leg from the nerve damage/recovery. I think it’s evident that I crushed the heck out of the S1 nerve root. I just wish that I knew what my long term outcome was. If I am going to limp the rest of my life, I just as soon get on with it, and get used to the idea.

I am seeing the pain management neurologist in a few minutes to see if an epidural treatment would make me closer to comfortable. I am not suffering as your are, but the fusion is much more complex and recovery more difficult.

Keep your spirits up the best you can. I will let the forum know if the epidural does anything
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Eric S

Sep 26, 2021

by Eric S on Donald Corenman, MD, DC

Successful pars repair at 46 years old

Back in November of 2018 (at 46 years old) I came from Vancouver BC to have a pars repair done with Dr. Donald Corenman at the Steadman Clinic in Vail Colorado. I'm finally posting this review nearly three years later in late 2021. The reason I waited so long was I wanted to know the final result before I posted my review. Unfortunately in that time Dr. Corenman has retired. Nevertheless, I want to post this review of Dr. Corenman and his staff at the Steadman Clinic in their excellent treatment of my L5 pars interarticularis.

I fractured my pars at age 42 back in 2014 when rolling on the gym floor, and was denied treatment by the Canadian healthcare system, probably due to my age. First my GP told me there was no surgical option for a pars defect, which was quite incorrect! I tried to live with it, but the symptoms worsened (periodic random spine slippage and weeks of resultant pain after just bending over to tie my shoe, so I eventually learned to mostly squat and hardly bend). When I finally consulted with Canadian spine surgeons, I was told they believed my pars defect had been congenital (since birth). This was absurd, considering I had done extreme martial arts (including jiu jitsu) for years prior, as well as 5 years of reinforcing steel full time in my 20s, probably the hardest job on the back you can find. No pars defect like mine would possibly have allowed this--ergo it was impossible that I had had the defect since birth. I did however have an asymptomatic congenital spina bifida occulta that made me more susceptible to a pars fracture. In 2014 in one instant, I went from having the strongest back people I knew said they'd ever seen, to being unable to safely bend over and tie my shoe without a non-negligible risk of my spine slipping randomly (which would lead to weeks of pain after each occurrence). This was due to the unilateral L5 pars defect, otherwise known as spondylolysis. It was when lying in pain on the floor 4 years later after maybe the 6th spine slippage event post injury, that I had had enough, and resolved to have surgery. If Canada's "universal health care" said no, I would make lemonade from lemons, and find the very best surgeon in the world at pars repairs. That was Dr. Donald Corenman. Dr. Corenman back in 2018 ran a website https://neckandback.com/ that dedicated many pages to the science of every aspect of pars repairs, from eligibility (good discs on MRI), to best surgical techniques (minimal open compared to minimally invasive), best imaging to use (i.e., O-Arm with Stealth imaging vs. older fluoroscopy), the ideal amount of BMP to use and why not use too much or too little, and much more, all to do with pars repairs, pages upon pages of his site just on the pars, with scientific references and his own extensive expert opinion. As a health research statistician, I was very impressed with this. It was in stark contrast to the websites of other spine surgeons which barely gave the pars a word or two, focusing almost exclusively on fusions. I had found the best surgeon in the world for pars repairs, and so after Dr. Corenman personally screened my MRI to ensure my discs were healthy, I booked the surgery.

Being 46 years old at the time of surgery in 2018, with a 4-year-old pars fracture from 2014 combined with a congenital SBO meant my pars fragment was somewhat atrophied, but it was "very solid", said Dr. Corenman in the operative report. Nevertheless, it was challenging with two things to fix, the pars and SBO, and OR time was around 4 hours. Recovery over the following months was guided by a very clear "Spine binder" from the Steadman Clinic with strict rules of "no BLT" (no bending, lifting or twisting), and illustrated physiotherapy guidelines. They even warned patients to avoid fish oil supplements, which could excessively dampen inflammation and hence slow bone healing. They answered many questions I had during months of recovery, with responses coming from the very supportive Lori Fugate (then director of Dr. Corenman's practice), and Ehrich Bean (then physician's assistant at the practice), as well as a couple calls with Dr. Corenman himself after two of the CT scans. Ehrich Bean offered great advice for taking the spine binder conservatively due to the nature of pars repairs vs. fusions. The final post-op CT scan I had was a couple weeks ago at 34 months post-op, and Dr. Corenman had retired, but I got a very positive and informative call from Eric Strauch (current PA at the Steadman Clinic under Dr. Corenman's replacement there, and who had also worked with Dr. Corenman previously). The staff at the Steadman Clinic were extremely supportive all the way through the process. I should mention, the local Canadian spine surgeon did offer me very good post-operative support including antibiotics as needed to deal with a mild surface incision-site infection early on, booking numerous x-rays when I felt something was amiss, as well as booking all four of my post-op CT scans. I am very grateful for that support also.

My final result shows plenty of solid bone across the pars and a healed SBO, with my vertebral body now a solid bone ring instead of being broken at two places as it was pre-op. Does my spine hold up in the real world? You bet! I have recently dug and moved several yards of dirt and sand and gravel by myself (shovel and wheelbarrow!) to fix our water main, pulled roots from the yard, moved several "portable" (these are HUGE) air conditioners up several flights of stairs my myself, and lifted weights. I now run 2 miles (3.2 KM) several times weekly with a hard 100 meter dash in the middle. I bend deeply before each run I go on, with no spine slippage. My spine feels amazing. I can bend over to do exercise, or real word tasks, with no risk of spine slippage.

My sincere thanks to God, Dr. Donald Corenman, Lori Fugate, Ehrich Bean, Eric Strauch, and the Steadman Clinic, as well as the Canadian spine surgeon who offered me excellent post-operative care back in Canada. You have all given me a new lease on life.

Sincerely,
Eric S

Robert S

May 11, 2021

by Robert S on Donald Corenman, MD, DC

Back Fusion Surgery

I had my entire lumbar spine fused in November of 2018. I had scoliosis , with pinched nerves that were so painful I could hardly walk - and standing for more than a few minutes was impossible. Even sitting was painful.
The fusion surgery produced immediate relief! And the recovery was much easier than I expected.
To this day I can do all the activities I love from hiking, to standing in a stream fly fishing to riding my bike long distances - or just walking down the street with my wife.
Kudos to Dr. Corenman and his staff, (including the two Erics) for taking such good care of me!

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Jul 9, 2020

by Leslie R on Donald Corenman, MD, DC

TLIF

I had my TLIF surgery on 6/24/2020 by Dr. Corenman, I can not say enough good things about the Dr or his staff. I was always treated with respect and explained everything throughly, that made it easy for everyone to understand. I highly recommend Dr. Corenman and the Steadman Clinic.

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