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  • Whotediasy
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    Hello,

    I have a bilateral pars defect/fracture with a minimal slip of the L5 on S1. A doctor said that my pars defect appears to be congenital on the left and fractured (about 8-10 months ago) on the right. My disc is intact. Recent X-rays found that I also have a mild case of Spina Bifida Occulta at L5. The bones of my vertebrae appear to rap around and overlap parallel to each other rather than unite. I’m only 38, healthy, and active. I’m really hoping I could have a Direct Pars Repair surgery rather than a fusion.

    Does the Spina Bifida Occulta automatically disqualify me from all methods of a Direct Pars Repair? Are there certain methods that might work better than others with my condition?

    About how long would a woman have to wait to get pregnant after a Direct Pars Repair surgery? My husband and I are weighing conceiving a child now vs having surgery now. I am concerned that another pregnancy could cause my L5 to slip further and prevent me from being a candidate for a Direct Pars Repair.

    A local orthopedic prescribed a rigid back brace but said he doubts it will work since the fracture is old. I am researching options in prolotherapy, PRP, and stem cells (injected into the pars fracture) but I’m wondering if that will all be a waste of time and money with no results at the end.

    I’d really appreciate receiving your opinion and can forward my MRI and X-rays to you if you think you may be able to help me. Thanks!

    Donald Corenman, MD, DC
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    There are many factors that make a pars repair possible or not recommended. These include the amount of slip, the amount of atrophy of the pars (hypertrophic vs attenuated), the amount of gap, the stability of the vertebra and your age. The spinal bifida occulta also reduces the success rate of repair as there is one more point that can allow motion to the repair.

    All of the other treatments you mention (“prolotherapy, PRP, and stem cells”) are a waste of time for this disorder.

    You need a CT scan of the pars fractures to determine if repair can be feasible.

    Dr. Corenman

    PLEASE REMEMBER, THIS FORUM IS MEANT TO PROVIDE GENERAL INFORMATION ON SPINE ANATOMY, CONDITIONS AND TREATMENTS. TO GET AN ACCURATE DIAGNOSIS, YOU MUST VISIT A QUALIFIED PROFESSIONAL IN PERSON.
     
    Donald Corenman, MD, DC is a highly-regarded spine surgeon, considered an expert in the area of neck and back pain. Trained as both a Medical Doctor and Doctor of Chiropractic, Dr. Corenman earned academic appointments as Clinical Assistant Professor and Assistant Professor of Orthopaedic Surgery at the University of Colorado Health Sciences Center, and his research on spine surgery and rehabilitation has resulted in the publication of multiple peer-reviewed articles and two books.
    Whotediasy
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    Dear Dr Corenman,
    Thank you so much for your reply. I have an Abdominal/Pelvic CT scan from July. Would that do?

    What is your opinion of the various methods of direct pars repair surgery: pedicle screw w/universal hook system, direct pars screw fixation, etc?

    How long would a woman have to wait to conceive after a Direct Pars Repair surgery?

    Is prolotherapy/prp a waste of time for lax ligaments in the sacrum / SI joint dysfunction?

    Donald Corenman, MD, DC
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    Abdominal/Pelvic CT scans are generally not accurate enough to carefully look at the pars defect to determine the pars status (atrophy, hypertrophy, distraction, attenuation). A devoted lumbar CT scan on a 64 slice scanner (128 is even better) with one millimeter cuts and sagittal/coronal reconstructions is recommended to determine the anatomy of the defect. You don’t have to have the entire lumbar spine imaged-just the L5-S1 level. You also need standing X-rays of the lumbar spine with flexion/extension views to understand the stability of the L5-S1 level.

    I like the direct repair with screws directly through the defect as this screw acts as “rebar” in concrete and is much less obstructive to surface area. The pedicle screw construct is just fine (and easier to perform) but has less success rate in my opinion.

    Pars defect repairs take at least 6 months to heal and rarely can take up to one year. Pregnancy during this period of time is contraindicated as the mechanics of the spine change dramatically and the hormone relaxin is secreted during pregnancy which allows ligament stretch.

    PRP and prolotherapy are just fine for sacroiliac disorders (as long as there is no tear in the anterior capsule of the SI joint in the case of prolotherapy).

    Dr. Corenman

    PLEASE REMEMBER, THIS FORUM IS MEANT TO PROVIDE GENERAL INFORMATION ON SPINE ANATOMY, CONDITIONS AND TREATMENTS. TO GET AN ACCURATE DIAGNOSIS, YOU MUST VISIT A QUALIFIED PROFESSIONAL IN PERSON.
     
    Donald Corenman, MD, DC is a highly-regarded spine surgeon, considered an expert in the area of neck and back pain. Trained as both a Medical Doctor and Doctor of Chiropractic, Dr. Corenman earned academic appointments as Clinical Assistant Professor and Assistant Professor of Orthopaedic Surgery at the University of Colorado Health Sciences Center, and his research on spine surgery and rehabilitation has resulted in the publication of multiple peer-reviewed articles and two books.
    Whotediasy
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    Dear Dr Corenman,

    Thanks again for your reply. Is the direct repair with screws that you do similar to the Bucks repair? Do you use a bone graft or BMP?

    I know you advised I need a lumbar CT scan to determine if a direct pars repair if feasible. But would you possibly be able to tell if a direct pars repair was NOT feasible just by looking at my lumbar MRI, A/P CT scan, and x-rays?

    I hate to go and get more radiation exposure if its at all possible to tell from the imaging I already have. As I said, my husband and I are still hoping to get pregnant again in the future. If my only option at this point is a fusion, I’ve been advised it may be better to get pregnant first and then get a fusion because I am 38 and running out of time. My concerns with that plan though are if pregnancy would make the slip worse, worsen the pain, possibly being on bed rest for months, and if my L5 slip could cause problems with a vaginal delivery (delivered my first 2 vaginally easily.…but that may have been before I had a slip).

    Do pars fractures bleed? My lumbar MRI reads that there is fluid surrounding my right pars fracture. My A/P CT scan back in july also read that there was “soft tissue fullness between the terminal ileum, cecum, and psoas muscle” which is what they believed was causing my right sided pain. Could that be possibly related to the fluid around the pars fracture? Also, could pain from a pars fracture radiate down into the butt? I have had chronic pain on the right side about an inch below my SI joint and just to the right of my sacrum.

    Thank you again so much for all the time you give reading and answering questions.

    Donald Corenman, MD, DC
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    The bucks repair is similar to my procedure as well as many individuals who repair pars defects. I always use bone graft and BMP as it is difficult to get these ends to unite and both graft materials do help to advance repair.

    “Would you possibly be able to tell if a direct pars repair was NOT feasible just by looking at my lumbar MRI, A/P CT scan, and x-rays”? Do you have a previous CT scan as implied in your question? If you do not, a CT scan is imperative to understand the defect and if a repair is possible. The scan can be collimated (blocked off) to only expose the L5-S1 region and shield all the other areas to reduce X-ray exposure.

    If you do get pregnant, you do have a chance of advancing the slip. Nonetheless, if you need a fusion now, get pregnant, deliver and the slip increases 5mm, it will not make the fusion surgery any harder to perform. If however your slip is minimal, you have good opposition of your pars fracture ends and are thinking of a repair, then any additional slip will make pars repair not possible.

    Normally, once fractured and the inflammatory period has passed (3-6 months), pars fracture won’t bleed. That is unless you lift or traumatize the area by tearing the scar formed between the fracture fragments as scar will bleed. Normally, the fluid found around the pars is a seroma and from chronic irritation to the pars. This fluid can indicate an atrophic pars (a pars that has thinned down and is more difficult to fix).

    SI joint pain (“chronic pain on the right side about an inch below my SI joint and just to the right of my sacrum”) is a very common referral site for pars fractures.

    Dr. Corenman

    PLEASE REMEMBER, THIS FORUM IS MEANT TO PROVIDE GENERAL INFORMATION ON SPINE ANATOMY, CONDITIONS AND TREATMENTS. TO GET AN ACCURATE DIAGNOSIS, YOU MUST VISIT A QUALIFIED PROFESSIONAL IN PERSON.
     
    Donald Corenman, MD, DC is a highly-regarded spine surgeon, considered an expert in the area of neck and back pain. Trained as both a Medical Doctor and Doctor of Chiropractic, Dr. Corenman earned academic appointments as Clinical Assistant Professor and Assistant Professor of Orthopaedic Surgery at the University of Colorado Health Sciences Center, and his research on spine surgery and rehabilitation has resulted in the publication of multiple peer-reviewed articles and two books.
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