7 wks post op microdiscectomy

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Linda1123
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December 1, 2022 at 4:52 pm

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Hello, I am 7 weeks post surgery for Microdiscectomy. L5 S1. I have mild disk degeneration as well. My nerves We’re compressed for a little over 2 years before I finally had surgery..

Immediately after surgery for about 10 days I felt fantastic! It’s been a bit of a roller coaster as far as recovery and the level of pain from day to day. The last few days have been horrible as far as the familiar burning sciatic pain down the leg. I have tried to do everything right as far as Bending lifting or twisting. I have been very careful. I make sure that I walk 30 to 45 minutes every day besides just around the house. Is it uncommon to have increased pain before Hopefully, eventually, pain free?

My surgeon and the nurses both said that they felt that my surgery was a success, there were no complications no surprises.

I’m just looking for confirmation if this kind of pain 7 weeks after surgery could be considered normal after having my nerves compressed for so long. I feel that if I understood the healing process better I could maybe be able to better handle this.

Thank you!

Donald Corenman, MD, DC
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December 2, 2022 at 10:16 am

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It’s not uncommon to have root swelling after a surgical decompression causing recurrent leg pain.
The possible causes of increased leg pain after a period of relief post-microdiscectomy surgery are inflammation of the nerve, seroma, recurrent herniation and infection with much more rare conditions like facet fracture.

Inflammation is common after decompression of the root. A compressed structure that was injured will “swell” and become congested. Oral steroids and time are the best treatment.

Seroma is a common condition. Fluid exudes from surgical sites and can build up and congest and compresses the nerve root. Seromas typically resorb after some time but occasionally need to be aspirated by needle. This is diagnosed by MRI and treated by needle aspiration.

Recurrent herniation occurs in 15% of patients and normally increase pain significantly. Recurrent weakness and a “tighter” leg (SLR) are common. If the recurrence is not too large, sometimes an epidural injection can be helpful. A redo microdiscectomy is not uncommon in the face of a recurrent herniation.

Infection should be rare at less than 1% of all surgeries. Interestingly, many patients do not have fevers or chills but have increased back pain that translates to leg pain eventually. Lab tests are the beginning for diagnosis. Diagnosis is by lab tests and patient symptoms.

Dr. Corenman

PLEASE REMEMBER, THIS FORUM IS MEANT TO PROVIDE GENERAL INFORMATION ON SPINE ANATOMY, CONDITIONS AND TREATMENTS. TO GET AN ACCURATE DIAGNOSIS, YOU MUST VISIT A QUALIFIED PROFESSIONAL IN PERSON.

Donald Corenman, MD, DC is a highly-regarded spine surgeon, considered an expert in the area of neck and back pain. Trained as both a Medical Doctor and Doctor of Chiropractic, Dr. Corenman earned academic appointments as Clinical Assistant Professor and Assistant Professor of Orthopaedic Surgery at the University of Colorado Health Sciences Center, and his research on spine surgery and rehabilitation has resulted in the publication of multiple peer-reviewed articles and two books.

Linda1123
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December 6, 2022 at 12:05 pm

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Thank you for your response..if I may have reherniated, would the pain be constant or could I have some good days and then bad ? On a day like I had yesterday, the burning pain down the leg was as bad as before surgery. Now today, although not pain free, it’s nothing even close to what I had yesterday. Maybe another MRI is a good idea. My PA doesn’t seem too concerned, however, I cannot live with the kind of pain I had. The PA told me that at 7 wks, most of her patients are 100%. With no pain. That was very discouraging to hear. Is that correct??
Thank you again
Linda

Linda1123
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December 13, 2022 at 8:30 pm

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So I did have a follow up MRI yesterday and have found out that I have reherniated. Can imagine what I’ve done I have been so incredibly careful! Will they be able to go back in and do a revision most likely? And are revisions usually successful? Is there a way I can send you the MRI report ? Although I will be speaking to my doctor I’m sure within the next couple days, I always would like to know a second opinion and I value yours.
Thank you again, Linda

Donald Corenman, MD, DC
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December 14, 2022 at 5:37 am

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You can cut and paste the MRI report here (after taking out identifying features). If the motor weakness is not worse, these can be treated with an epidural steroid injection. If not, a revision discectomy would be called for.

Dr. Corenman

PLEASE REMEMBER, THIS FORUM IS MEANT TO PROVIDE GENERAL INFORMATION ON SPINE ANATOMY, CONDITIONS AND TREATMENTS. TO GET AN ACCURATE DIAGNOSIS, YOU MUST VISIT A QUALIFIED PROFESSIONAL IN PERSON.

Donald Corenman, MD, DC is a highly-regarded spine surgeon, considered an expert in the area of neck and back pain. Trained as both a Medical Doctor and Doctor of Chiropractic, Dr. Corenman earned academic appointments as Clinical Assistant Professor and Assistant Professor of Orthopaedic Surgery at the University of Colorado Health Sciences Center, and his research on spine surgery and rehabilitation has resulted in the publication of multiple peer-reviewed articles and two books.

Linda1123
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December 14, 2022 at 10:28 am

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Here is my report from my MRI on Monday…
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significant narrowing
L5/S1:
Intervertebral disc: Right
lateral recess disc herniation
with extruded disc
fragment extending caudally
within the right lateral
recess epidural space to
the upper $1 vertebral level.
Facet joints: Moderate right
greater than left arthropathy
Spinal canal: Right latera
recess spinal canal
narrowing with compression
of
the descending right-sided
S1 nerve root
Neural foramen: Mild
bilateral narrowing
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Eric S

Sep 26, 2021

by Eric S on Donald Corenman, MD, DC

Successful pars repair at 46 years old

Back in November of 2018 (at 46 years old) I came from Vancouver BC to have a pars repair done with Dr. Donald Corenman at the Steadman Clinic in Vail Colorado. I'm finally posting this review nearly three years later in late 2021. The reason I waited so long was I wanted to know the final result before I posted my review. Unfortunately in that time Dr. Corenman has retired. Nevertheless, I want to post this review of Dr. Corenman and his staff at the Steadman Clinic in their excellent treatment of my L5 pars interarticularis.

I fractured my pars at age 42 back in 2014 when rolling on the gym floor, and was denied treatment by the Canadian healthcare system, probably due to my age. First my GP told me there was no surgical option for a pars defect, which was quite incorrect! I tried to live with it, but the symptoms worsened (periodic random spine slippage and weeks of resultant pain after just bending over to tie my shoe, so I eventually learned to mostly squat and hardly bend). When I finally consulted with Canadian spine surgeons, I was told they believed my pars defect had been congenital (since birth). This was absurd, considering I had done extreme martial arts (including jiu jitsu) for years prior, as well as 5 years of reinforcing steel full time in my 20s, probably the hardest job on the back you can find. No pars defect like mine would possibly have allowed this--ergo it was impossible that I had had the defect since birth. I did however have an asymptomatic congenital spina bifida occulta that made me more susceptible to a pars fracture. In 2014 in one instant, I went from having the strongest back people I knew said they'd ever seen, to being unable to safely bend over and tie my shoe without a non-negligible risk of my spine slipping randomly (which would lead to weeks of pain after each occurrence). This was due to the unilateral L5 pars defect, otherwise known as spondylolysis. It was when lying in pain on the floor 4 years later after maybe the 6th spine slippage event post injury, that I had had enough, and resolved to have surgery. If Canada's "universal health care" said no, I would make lemonade from lemons, and find the very best surgeon in the world at pars repairs. That was Dr. Donald Corenman. Dr. Corenman back in 2018 ran a website https://neckandback.com/ that dedicated many pages to the science of every aspect of pars repairs, from eligibility (good discs on MRI), to best surgical techniques (minimal open compared to minimally invasive), best imaging to use (i.e., O-Arm with Stealth imaging vs. older fluoroscopy), the ideal amount of BMP to use and why not use too much or too little, and much more, all to do with pars repairs, pages upon pages of his site just on the pars, with scientific references and his own extensive expert opinion. As a health research statistician, I was very impressed with this. It was in stark contrast to the websites of other spine surgeons which barely gave the pars a word or two, focusing almost exclusively on fusions. I had found the best surgeon in the world for pars repairs, and so after Dr. Corenman personally screened my MRI to ensure my discs were healthy, I booked the surgery.

Being 46 years old at the time of surgery in 2018, with a 4-year-old pars fracture from 2014 combined with a congenital SBO meant my pars fragment was somewhat atrophied, but it was "very solid", said Dr. Corenman in the operative report. Nevertheless, it was challenging with two things to fix, the pars and SBO, and OR time was around 4 hours. Recovery over the following months was guided by a very clear "Spine binder" from the Steadman Clinic with strict rules of "no BLT" (no bending, lifting or twisting), and illustrated physiotherapy guidelines. They even warned patients to avoid fish oil supplements, which could excessively dampen inflammation and hence slow bone healing. They answered many questions I had during months of recovery, with responses coming from the very supportive Lori Fugate (then director of Dr. Corenman's practice), and Ehrich Bean (then physician's assistant at the practice), as well as a couple calls with Dr. Corenman himself after two of the CT scans. Ehrich Bean offered great advice for taking the spine binder conservatively due to the nature of pars repairs vs. fusions. The final post-op CT scan I had was a couple weeks ago at 34 months post-op, and Dr. Corenman had retired, but I got a very positive and informative call from Eric Strauch (current PA at the Steadman Clinic under Dr. Corenman's replacement there, and who had also worked with Dr. Corenman previously). The staff at the Steadman Clinic were extremely supportive all the way through the process. I should mention, the local Canadian spine surgeon did offer me very good post-operative support including antibiotics as needed to deal with a mild surface incision-site infection early on, booking numerous x-rays when I felt something was amiss, as well as booking all four of my post-op CT scans. I am very grateful for that support also.

My final result shows plenty of solid bone across the pars and a healed SBO, with my vertebral body now a solid bone ring instead of being broken at two places as it was pre-op. Does my spine hold up in the real world? You bet! I have recently dug and moved several yards of dirt and sand and gravel by myself (shovel and wheelbarrow!) to fix our water main, pulled roots from the yard, moved several "portable" (these are HUGE) air conditioners up several flights of stairs my myself, and lifted weights. I now run 2 miles (3.2 KM) several times weekly with a hard 100 meter dash in the middle. I bend deeply before each run I go on, with no spine slippage. My spine feels amazing. I can bend over to do exercise, or real word tasks, with no risk of spine slippage.

My sincere thanks to God, Dr. Donald Corenman, Lori Fugate, Ehrich Bean, Eric Strauch, and the Steadman Clinic, as well as the Canadian spine surgeon who offered me excellent post-operative care back in Canada. You have all given me a new lease on life.

Sincerely,
Eric S

Robert S

May 11, 2021

by Robert S on Donald Corenman, MD, DC

Back Fusion Surgery

I had my entire lumbar spine fused in November of 2018. I had scoliosis , with pinched nerves that were so painful I could hardly walk - and standing for more than a few minutes was impossible. Even sitting was painful.
The fusion surgery produced immediate relief! And the recovery was much easier than I expected.
To this day I can do all the activities I love from hiking, to standing in a stream fly fishing to riding my bike long distances - or just walking down the street with my wife.
Kudos to Dr. Corenman and his staff, (including the two Erics) for taking such good care of me!

Leslie R

Jul 9, 2020

by Leslie R on Donald Corenman, MD, DC

TLIF

I had my TLIF surgery on 6/24/2020 by Dr. Corenman, I can not say enough good things about the Dr or his staff. I was always treated with respect and explained everything throughly, that made it easy for everyone to understand. I highly recommend Dr. Corenman and the Steadman Clinic.

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