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in reply to: Discectomy Risks #6395
I must confess it is not a friend that is the patient it is me. The facts are that the surgeon had caused the pars fracture which went undiscovered for 6 months until the second surgery. I have no thinning of the pars or any disease that would be the cause. The second surgeon fused the disk and used rods and screws to stabilize. The second surgeon testified at a med mal deposition that the first surgeon was negligent in causing the pars fracture, and later changed his testimony stating that he was not negligent for causing it but was negligent in not recognizing and treating it. Although the difference to me is insignificant but legally it was very significant and ended the suit. Either way it does not change the fact that the pars was fractured during what should have been a relatively common procedure and I am now left with extreme pain, unable to perform the physical tasks that were the core of who I was and the things that I enjoyed doing.
The first surgeon had set up a production line of surgeries to maximize the profits and had allotted only a certain time slot for my procedure. This was why I did not see him in the hospital post-op and why he did not take the time to do it correctly or recognize and repair his mistake. Having me discharged 2 hours after the procedure was a setup to make it appear that all was well and that I could not wait to go and withholding pain meds also added to the illusion that I was fine after the procedure. It was a conscious decision on his part.
I know many people that have had great success with the same procedure, invasive and laser, but my experience was not the same.
I have pain that is far worse than the ruptured disk that started it all and wish that I had never allowed it to happen.
None of the surgeons that I have talked with have ever taken the time to have any discussions as you have in this blog and for that I thank you.
I can’t believe with all of the knowledge on this planet that no one can figure out why I am in pain and can fix it. I have been passed on through the system and with no insurance now and a pre-existing condition and no income for 3 years; I am left to suffer, because after all it is money that greases the wheel.
Thank you for the information.in reply to: Discectomy Risks #6386The second surgery was done, not stabilize but complete a failed discectomy but as soon as the surgeon cut into the back he discovered the pars fracture, so the surgery took a different coarse. It was not until after the second surgery that they went back and looked at the x-rays and MRI’s and discovered the par fracture had existed after the first surgery.
The pars was not thinned or effected by any disease as stated in a deposition that the second surgeon gave. In that same deposition the second surgeon stated that the first surgeon was negligent in not recognizing the fracture and not repairing it, but was not negligent in causing the fracture because it was an inherent risk of the procedure.
So, the patient had no thinning of the pars and no disease of the pars, and the pars was diffidently fractured during the surgery. If it is within the acceptable risk of the procedure, what are odds?
There was no work up done after the pop. The patient now has no insurance and hasn’t worked in 3 years do to the injury and suffers severely. He sees a pain management doctor, but cannot afford anything other than pain meds (barely). They have suggested a nerve stimulator but he has no money and is reluctant to let anyone operate again. No one has determined the cause of the pain, although there had been a peer review done between the first and second surgery by order of workers compensation 2 .5 years ago and the 3rd party doctor had suggested that a second injury may be present lower in the sciatic region, but this has never been explored.
“We have some of the best spine surgeons in the world here in the USA”. Before the first surgery, the patient requested a minimally invasive laser surgery that his relatives and doctor friend had undergone for the same initial problem and they had reported great success, but the workers compensation insurance adjuster told him that it was unrecognized in the medical profession as a legitimize procedure and it was rejected. If there is good surgeons out there, he has not met them. You have already spent more time on this case than any of them.
My friend is fighting thoughts of giving up entirely as the pain and loss of his active life is wearing him down. He is angry, depressed and a shell of the man he once was. Who would have thought that such a common procedure could have such grave consequences.
in reply to: Discectomy Risks #6372The patient, a close friend was 52 year old male in excellent physical condition and muscular build that exercised regularly and with no genetic dispositions. He had completed a 3 year circumnavigation, on a large sailboat, is a master diver and otherwise a very healthy and active individual before lifting a 25 pound tool back while in a closed confined space that caused the ruptured disk.
An X-Ray and two MRI before the discecotomy showed no pars fracture and an MRI two weeks after the surgery showed the pars fracture. The patient had not performed any extension activity or stress that would cause the fracture, as his pain post-op prevented and physical activity and physio did not start until 1 month post-op.
When admitted for the surgery the insurance had authorized and expected to pay for a 2 day hospital stay, but the patient was told to leave the hospital only 2 hours after awaking from the procedure at the orders of the performing surgeon. The patient was in unbearable pain when he was discharged and against his request to stay the night was told that it was not necessary. The patient, then check into a hotel 1 mile from the hospital, with the same pain meds that he had been taking before the surgery. He did not see the surgeon for 2 weeks after the surgery and when he did the doctor said that the nurse had stated that he had got up after the procedure and ran out off the hospital feeling great. The patient replied that he had been run out of the hospital at which time the surgeon replied with anger and defended the actions. It had appeared that the discharge was a setup, to make it appear that the surgery was a success.
A second surgery with different doctor, fused the L4 L5 with hardware to stabilize and reported that the pars fracture was indeed caused by the previous surgeon. There is no thinning of the pars or any sign of degeneration that would lead to the pars fraction without intervention.
Two months after the fusion the patient reported bending over to pick up an onion skin off the floor when he felt a pop in the lower back and has sustained constant pain, worse than the pain that lead to the first surgery.
The pain in his lower back and right leg has been ongoing now for 3 years and his life is un-recognizable.
So the big question is; if it is it is extremely rare to break a pars during a disectomy, what happened and why did the surgeon attempt to cover his tracks if he had not known of the fracture. Is this indeed a rare event? If so are there any actual statics.
After witnessing this I am reluctant to have any back surgery what so ever.in reply to: Discectomy Risks #6355Thank you for your answer. It is great to get a straight answer from a knowledgeable source.
The info that I am being told does not add up; so from what you are saying, if a pars fracture were to occur during the discectomy, it would be due to a negligent surgeon? Is it possible or very common? If it is possible what are the odds? I am not much of a gambler. Would a surgeon know if he did fracture the pars? Lets say that it did happen and a second surgery was required and a fusion was done; now due to the reduce range of motion, what are the odds of having complications on disks above and below the fusion? Sorry for all the questions, but I am a research engineer and it is a habit.
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