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Got the report…
IMPRESSION:
1. THE PRIOR EXAM OF 01/04/11 SHOWED A LARGE FAR RIGHT LATERAL DISC EXTRUSION WITH CEPHALAD MIGRATION OF THE EXTRUDED DISC. THIS AREA HAS SHOWN REMARKABLE IMPROVEMENT SINCE THE LAST EXAM WITH NOW ONLY A 3MM RIGHT LATERAL PROTRUSION AND NO DEFINED NERVE ROOT COMPRESSION.
2. MILD MULTILEVEL DEGENERATIVE DISC DISEASE WITH ENDPLATE SPONDYLOSIS AND SMALL SCHMORL NODE DEFECTS T7-8 THROUGH T10-11.
3. MINOR 1MM POSTERIOR ANULAR BULGING T8-9, T10-11 AND T11-12
4. STABLE APPEARANCE OF A SMALL BENIGN SIGNAL ABNORMALITY WITHIN THE ANTERIOR T9 VERTEBRAL BODY.
Hi Dr. Corenman:
I have yet to get my films to you. Sorry! But I now have another film. I ran home and looked at the study and I didn’t see the protrusion. The black blob was gone! Every level looked the same — that’s about my level of expertise ;)
I had the study today and we heard from the radiologist tonight. A completely normal T-spine MRI at 10 months! He and his colleagues (one of them the radiologist who read the old film back in January) have never seen or heard of such a “disappearance” in the T-spine. They have seen such findings in L-spine herniations on occasion. After taking a look at the old MRI, they returned to today’s study and decided just maybe there was a little something to be seen. Essentially normal. I await written report.
I am not 100% but I guess my MRI is! Of course, we know it is still a crappy disc! WOW…normal MRI…is this an especially good thing or just an interesting finding?
I will send you the films! Thank you for your enlightening discussion of etiology. You are the only person who has been willing (?able) to discuss possible explanations for this “injury”.
Cheers,
HartPS. So does this make me like one in a BILLION? Ha. I do realize that the “one in a million” number has been thrown into question and that symptomatic T-spine herniations are probably not as rare as once thought!
in reply to: Cervical Facet Syndrome? #5045Hi Dr. Corenman:
My McKenzie exercise question was added to my previous post on this thread per your twitter suggestion ;) If you have a “twitter assistant”, that probably won’t make any sense!
Things are improving with a bit of prednisone. No shocker there. But I have to get on top of the matter. Prednisone, while useful acutely, is not the answer, IMO! A clever physician once told me…if one can keep it under 10mg/kg body weight/year, the risk of adverse consequences is about nil. In this situation that is 1/2 a gram a year. With T-spine and C-spine woes (and shingles and…) this year, I’m closing in on that number!
Cheers
Dear Dr. Corenman:
WOW. Thanks.
I will ring tomorrow about sending my films along. If it’s a re-herniation, maybe we can write it up — a first for the literature ;) More important to me though, is to understand this and not have a recurrence, be it the second, third or whatever. I suppose I am encouraged that there is less material to herniate now, less jelly at least. The idea of the tough stuff herniating is a bit scary though. While not strictly indicated, I’m keen to get this re-imaged.
The thoracic spine is especially stable, right? So will I have to worry as much about narrowing of the vertebral space and vertebral displacement with the loss of disc material?
Cheers
in reply to: Cervical Facet Syndrome? #5026Hi Dr. Corenman:
I hit the prednisone again. 20mg yesterday morning. This morning, true pain is all but gone. My neck is sore but that I can deal with. Rotation and more so lateral flexion are still limited. I had another 20mg of prednisone today. Maybe a couple more days of 10mg. Obviously, prednisone is not good for the back in the long run!
So pain can be quite easily controlled in this instance. I want to understand why I have this problem and how to avoid future occurrences. IOW, I would like to figure out if there is something in my movements, my habits that I can change. Is this problem usually just insidious as in comes and goes with no rhyme or reason? I never really thought twice about facet joints until now. Seems they are pesky little things.
The pain management doctor recommended in this instance is an anesthesiologist by training. I have a suspicion that there may be (a small number perhaps) surgeons out there who do not want to prescribe medications or otherwise treat pain when there is no operation at stake. They would rather just get you off their hands pronto. I have great respect for the pain management field. However, I don’t think this is an especially difficult case in regard to pain per se. I am aware of a diagnostic study, sometimes done by pain management physicians (including this one), that involves injection of a local anesthetic agent and steroid into joint space. The pathology or source of pain at least is presumed to be in the facet joint if the patient reports improvement after the injection? Is this procedure simply diagnostic or does it typically help with the pain/soreness/ROM for any meaningful period of time? From the information I am able to obtain, this exercise sounds a bit sketchy. It seems structures are pretty tight in there — what are the chances of hitting the target while avoiding other structures? I feel certain the pain is at the C2-C3 facet joints bilaterally. It is “joint pain” for sure.
A non-contrast standard C-spine MRI series has been done. Do you see any benefit in further imaging the facet joints by oblique plain film or CT scan. Of course, one must consider the radiation of the head CT in weighing the benefits. What is one likely to find if anything? What can be REASONABLY be done about it anyway? It sounds like some are resorting to seemingly drastic measures. I am NOT interested in fusing C2-C3
There is one more little tidbit on MRI that should probably mentioned at the outset: flattening of the normal cervical lordosis. Clinically, I have also been told that I lack the normal thoracic kyphosis.I don’t believe this has been reported on any radiologic studies though. If one is to believe the spine is curved for a good reason, this can’t exactly be a good thing. Would straightening of the cervical lordosis possibly be a factor in cervical facet problems. Could this affect facet joint alignment (there is probably a better word!)?
Is there anything I can do in terms of exercises or therapy to get curves or at least to maintain the existing curvature. Are McKenzie retraction and extension exercises likely to be useful (or at least harmless) in the setting of presumed (by me) cervical facet pain at C2-C3? The retraction feels good to me but the extension not so good! There are no symptoms of spinal nerve root compression and no findings on MRI suggestive of nerve root compression…or anything else at this level ;)
Thank you so much for you assurances and meaningful responses,
PS. How do I find a chiropractor? This is new territory for me!
in reply to: Cervical Facet Syndrome? #5013Dear Dr. Corenman:
I had my second appointment for this problem. An MRI was ordered during the first appointment and the purpose of the second appointment was “to review the MRI”. There were no findings on MRI consistent with the complaint. (There is an incidental disc protrusion at C5-C6.) From what I can find, it does NOT sound like the cervical facet joints are generally well imaged on an MRI, the oblique X-ray or CT possibly being better exams. I have a feeling that the lack of findings on MRI does not reasonably rule out facet joint pathology. Office X-rays were done but no oblique view.
A referral to “Pain Management” was made. This must be a dumping ground for patients who ask too many questions!
I appreciate your reassurance! This is VERY helpful! I think this may be resolving! It was a difficult episode of almost 6 weeks duration. I would like to understand what this is and why it happened in hopes of avoiding recurrence.
Cheers
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