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in reply to: Thoracic foraminal compression #28680
Thank you for your reply. I don’t know about that rib head lesion, nobody knows, on MRI there are no signs of malignancy, like no bone marrow edema, it is sharp borders, and I don’t have symptoms like that, the symptoms started suddenly on ballet class and never had any pain or disconfort prior to that. I know that synovial cyst are dark on T1, but when I was trying to find which cysts are both hyperintense on T1 and T2, everything I found were this hemorrhagic facet cysts of sudden onset or filled with proteinaceous tissue. Or you think it could be fat pads out od that facet joint? That small lesion on the pedicle 10 is only right side, could this be osteoid osteoma? My neurosurgeon can’t exclude that, it looks really benign. What other small lesion could it be on pedicle? Is there any way to confirm this, like bone scintigraphy or something? Also what do you think about increasing muscle pain when moving arm above head, I have a felling that it puts more tension on the joints, I have muscle guarding contracture level 10 and 11 so I am thinking probsbly that facet joint?
in reply to: Thoracic foraminal compression #28668Thank you for your answer. Yes it is clearly in the foramen and it is a round cystic formation, and really is visible that the spinal nerve t11 right is stuck in that foramen, and I have pain in the t11 dermatome with paresthesia and tingling, also allodynia, radiologist said just fat, nothing, ok, but why fat only in one foramen of all only dat side at that level that I have pain, my neurosurgeon thinks it can be fat from that facet joint (fat pads), but also thinks it maybe synovial cyst, for me is more likely the synovial because it is really round like all the facet cysts and think it could be hemmorhagic, thus hemosiderin not visible on STIR (also because when it was accute in my first MRI they just did T1 and T2), also my age, I am young, other facet joints are not degenerated and I had acute start of symptoms which this hemorrhagic cyst tend to. I don’t have pain in my arm, it is my arm movement above head like washing hair that triggers the pain paravertebral T10-t11, and this happens when I am in severe spasm, so it also puts tension on that area. I am thinking this because of facet joint pain due to secondary osteoarthritis and that cyst, am I right, is the facet joint itself making this spasms? So this facet diagnostic block applied more pressure on it? (I am aware this was only diagnostic that is why I ask is it normal to make symptoms worse?).The edema in cv joint t11 is what I think only extension od edema from facet joint, don’t think it is fracture anymore or it could also be due to secondary OA edema(overuse in ballet). But I don’t know about my CT scan which showed 10th rib subluxation on the right (it is visible on 3d reconstruction with osteopenia of rib head, like a hole in rib head and 10th pedicle, probbably from rubbing), I know it is rear, a lot doctors don’t believe it can happens, but 10 th rib can slipp in slipping rib syndrome, but mine looks a lot rotated and atacched to both 10th and 9th vertebra, not on the left only that right. Could you think it can happen or it can be maybe minor subluxation which appers to be more on CT because of that severe muscle spasm above this facet joint? Because if it is because of spasm, doing some medial branch block and removing the cyst endoscopic could help that level about? He suggested blocking also this 10th cv joint (terapheutic with steroid), but I am affraid of doing more damage because on osteopenia, making the bone damage worse, or maybe doing it but thinking of taking some biphosponates like Alendronat because od it’s affect on bone lesions, regional osteopenia and bone pain not only for osteoporosis. Do you have any experience With this drugs and bone pain? I am dessperate, so I am willing to try anything, also it my help a little with facet pain because it is also used for osteoarthritis pain, reducing bone marrow edema, at least it could not make more damage. Thank you and sorry for such a long report, just want the pain to stop.
in reply to: Thoracic spine issues #28046Thank you doctor. To Robin: I had an injury and my rheuma tests are fine, do not have morning stiffnes. I also have this tinggling wrap in my lower ribs. Prp are platelet rich plasma shots, from my blood, and it is a regenerative method for joints. I have MRI scheduled next month.So are you HLAb 27 positive? Do you have also low back pain? I think you should do MRI first so then decide if go to reumathologist or not. Maybe it will show something.
in reply to: Thoracic spine joints #28045Thank you for your answers. I know this costovertebral disorders are rare, but can occur in hyperextension ballet injuries. Mine was a sudden twisting and hyperextension injury in ballet. I do not think I have Scheuermman disorder because my symptoms were severe and started after that injury and I don’t have scoliosis. Also my endplates of vertebra look fine on the MRI, no edema,there are not anny degenerative changes in my t and lumbar spine, my discs are great, no degeneration no herniation. Only thing that is changed are this 11th and 12th costovertebral and ct joints, With this bone marrow edema, other joints are just fine. Hoe can this bone marrow edema heal, what to do? The whole joint is White on T2 sequencs. This is the exact point of my pain and it spreads in the front bend like pain. So I think it is radiculopathy.my spine surgeon showed me my 3d ct and it is really 11th rib subluxation in the right side, and the rib head is more in the foramen impinging 11th spinal nerve, and when I move I can feel ot, I feel that nerve irritation, I have intercostal pain. He gave me bupivacain shots in that joints and intercostal nerve and it gave me instant relief. Thank you.
in reply to: Thoracic spine issues #28039One more thing. Did you go to reumathologist olso? Do you have morning stiffnes? Did you do rheuma test and gene tests to see If you have HLA B 27 a gene that goes With spondyloarthritis. Because SpA is associsted With abdominal issue. Every back pain that lasts longer than 3 months in young people and With morning stiffnes spondyloarthritis should be ruled out.
in reply to: Thoracic spine issues #28038How old are you? I am 29,and have this problem for a year. I have pain on the right side only. My spinous process is not sore, but near it on the right is really sore. First 6 months I had abdominal pain, feeling like I have ruptured my muscle, but then went to osteopat and it helpped. Now I only have t spine and rib pain. Do you take pain medication. For me naproxen works a bit. Nobody believed me that I have small joints issue and rib subluxation, because ribs can’t subluxate. But my CT scan showed it. Everyone told me not to do it because of radition but I knew it will show rib problem. If your MRI would show nothing than consider CT scan because it is better for the bones and joints, MRI is better for neural structures. I have found a good neurosurgeon, private clinic who has experience With t spine. He gave me prp injections in my joints, regenerative method and it helpped but now after 3 months the pain is back. I will do second MRI and then He will give me intercostal nerve blocks and maybe another prp. Your abdominal pain is from lower t spine. But is it like musce pain or you have like intestinal problems or something like that?
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