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in reply to: SI Joint: A Few Additional Questions #7174
Hi Dr. Corenman,
Thank you so much for your reply regarding my earlier questions.. I have one additional question that relates to the positional “locking up” of the lumbosacral region and / or hip joints..
Given your extensive experience in both chiropractic and surgical treatment of the spine, can you please explain how, and why, the lumbar spine / SI / hip structures actually “lock up”, thus preventing a patient from rolling over? I use the term “locking up” because I can’t figure out a better way of describing the sensation … Is this actually what’s happening? If so, what’s occurring in the lumbosacral area that causes a person’s low back to seize up like this? In my particular situation, it occurs when I lie flat on my back (either in bed, or on an exam table) and completely relax my hips and low back. Seconds later, I start looking like a distressed insect that can’t flip itself back over.
I guess I’m just trying to figure out whether this is musculoskeletal (acute spasms, etc.), strictly orthopedic, or a combination of the two? Thanks so much for taking the time to clarify..
S.W., NC
in reply to: Procedural Questions for iFuse SI Joint Implant #7119Dr. Corenman,
Much appreciated for your quick reply, especially over the weekend.
The majority of the peer-reviewed literature indicates that severe muscle spasms also accompany the other primary symptoms of SIJD. Since the onset of this condition about 12 months ago, I’ve experienced increasingly more intense spasms, especially upon waking first thing in the morning. The spasms are ridiculously bad in and of themselves, but also leave me completely unable to roll over — whether lying on my back, or on my side, it’s almost as if my entire sacral region is “locked”. Once I’ve had help out of bed, I’m unable to stand up anywhere *near* straight for at least one hour, and I’m unable to take normal-lengthed strides… I’m guessing those who’ve had this condition, or currently wrestle with it, can completely understand my describing it as, “my hips and low back prevent my legs from stepping any further out than about 6-inches.” If the police are at the door, a tornado is coming, or the house catches on fire, it’ll take me about 4 days to walk eight feet. This improves some throughout the day, but by far, the dysfunction in those joints prevents a normal heel-to-toe gait.
Some follow-up questions:
1. After the surgeries, and given adequate time for healing, will the intense, severe spasms subside? The joints will be stabilized, but will the complex of ligaments, tendons, and muscles also “settle down” after the fusions? Will my ability to walk with a more normal gait improve once the SI dysfunction has been stabilized?
2. I understand your explanation regarding the leg length discrepancy… thank you for addressing that question. I’m considering seeing a physical therapist prior to my surgeries to assess whether any gentle, subtle adjustments can be accomplished. In your opinion, would a PT assessment be beneficial prior to the fusions? My attending surgeon suggested that while PT won’t “fix” the severe degeneration in my SI joints, it might help in simply having the ligament and muscle complexes evaluated and assessed to possibly alleviate some of the leg length discrepancy. Or, am I just eternally condemned to one shorter leg and walking with a limp? You mentioned post-operative PT, which my attending surgeon also stressed upon solid fusions. For a patient with lumbosacral instrumentation to S/1, and with bilateral SI instrumentation, what modalities of physical therapy might be prescribed? Will I be limited in what types of PT I can do? What will be the ultimate goal of my post-operative physical therapy?
3. Just to clarify… Much of what I’ve read regarding SIJD seems to attribute a good degree of the pain to a subluxation of the sacrum, or a “locked sacrum.” If the orthopedic surgeon performing my fusion(s) identifies a misalignment of the sacrum or other lumbosacral structures, would he repair or otherwise adjust these issues during the surgery?
4. I saw an online news article yesterday which addressed the fact that some insurance plans in a few states do not cover the iFuse procedure. Kansas was identified as one… Do more insurance companies than not cover this procedure? I’ve tried to search my insurance policy information online, but I’m unable to find any indication as to whether it’s covered or not. I also searched my insurance company’s medical code guidelines, but don’t see any summaries of what types of arthrodeses are covered. I plan to call Monday. Have you ever run into a situation, or heard of one, in which a patient’s insurance didn’t cover iFuse?
5. If the iFuse procedure isn’t covered by a carrier, are there other similar or just as reliable SI fusion procedures that *are* covered so a patient can have this condition stabilized?
Again, your help has been appreciated. Thank you.
S.W., NC
Dr. Corenman,
Thank you so much for replying.
My longtime attending neurosurgeon contacted me Friday… He’s performed, or assisted on, 5 of the 9 surgeries on my cervical and lumbar spine. I admire him both as a friend (our patient / physician relationship spans 24 years), and as a surgeon and symptomatic detective. He travels around the country attending seminars, conferences, and groundbreaking surgical techniques, and has developed an interest in the SI Joint as a tandem suspect in neurogenic pain. Plus, I’ve likely put both of his daughters through school with my medical bills.
He’s seeing me personally this week, then while I’m there in town (he’s 3 hrs away), he’ll schedule me for the joint injection and any other diagnostics. As with any good surgeon and clinician, he’s not ruling my lumbar spine out, and remains open to other etiologies of pain whose symptoms mimic SIJD.
Should my physical exam in his office (imagine that… a real physical exam, complete with physical contact with the patient, a gown, and no cowboy boots) confirm SIJD, he will then refer me to an orthopedic colleague of his who has performed the iFuse procedure numerous times, with good results. Surgery may, or may not be, an option for me, however with my spine fused to S/1, the impossibility of PT that involves lower spine and sacroiliac adjustment, and with my history of poor results from injections, this might be the only thing that improves my current QOL and pain levels. Plus, I teach college, and miss being in the classroom… So, I want, and need, to get back to work. Another point of admiration for this guy… Should the orthopedist recommend the iFuse procedure, my neurosurgeon plans to attend and observe the procedure in the OR. He’s attended numerous seminars and surgical conferences on the procedure, but has never observed one. So, I think it’s cool that he’s using this opportunity to continue learning in his field.
QUESTION REGARDING SYMPTOM:
The radiating pain I’m experiencing, again, is across the area 2 inches above the gluteal cleft (I still like ‘butt crack’), runs bilaterally out to the top of the hips, then down the anterior thigh. My specific question is about the type of pain this is… Usually, it’s a horrible spasmodic stabbing pain, especially first thing in the morning. I am literally unable to roll myself over, sit up, or stand without help. I have to get out of bed using the infamous “roll and stand in one swift motion like a log” thing. Throughout the day, however, I’ll experience completely unpredictable “jolts” of pain, best described as an electrical shock, that, 1) originates at the area between the edge of the sacrum and the top of the hip where nurses give you injections sometimes; then, 2) shoots along a VERY distinct route along that seam of the SI Joint; then finally, 3) travels along a route down the side of my hip and down the anterior thigh. This “jolt” follows the same path every single time. It occurs when I’m standing, or as I’m sitting in my recliner. If I attempt to relax my entire low back, and attempt to “un-tense” myself, this happens. It will literally cause me to jump, almost like being hit with a taser gun. My friends find it amusing, especially after several cocktails. I find it a literal pain in the ***. Plus, it hurts beyond description.
Also, if I’m asked to lie on a completely flat, in-cushioned surface or exam table, I’m completely unable to do so. Upon lying supine and relaxing my back, I immediately experience a 10/10 spasmodic, stabbing pain in the areas of my sacrum and hips. It’s almost as if my hips don’t rest on the table with equal distribution (like one is slightly off the table or something). I’m suspecting this may be due to abnormal rotation or subluxation of the SI Joint. And, it sounds correlated with the replicated pain described in journal articles whose topic focuses on PT biomechanical exams. Your thoughts?
Any further thought as to whether these “jolts”, and positional anomalies, sound affiliated with the SI Joint, or does it sound associated with nerve root compression or facet pain *below* L4? My obvious concern is that on my MRI, the areas below L4 were, “largely unreadable and obscured by titanium artifact.” If the area below L4 was obscured, then a surgeon would be unable to assess whether all of these issues are originating there, rather than the SI Joint. In my opinion, the surgeon who ordered my MRI, and the second surgeon who said he couldn’t see anything due to artifact, should’ve considered ordering another diagnostic test that would better illuminate those lower levels instead of writing me off and not taking this case seriously. I’m not a doctor (well, medical anyway), but I think surgeons and providers have a professional and ethical obligation to investigate a patient’s symptoms if an initial diagnostic exam is inconclusive or otherwise rendered illegible. Am I missing something here?
Thanks again, and I look forward to hearing from you. In early August, we took a cross-country trip out west, and drove right through your area via I-70 West. What a beautiful region in which to live, and practice. You’re lucky.
S.W., NC
Dr. Corenman,
I really appreciate your time with this. I think we’re focusing on the SI Joint as the etiology because my spine has been “scanned to death”… While my last MRI did yield probable stenosis at L3/4, there seemed to be this circus of indecision as to whether, A) it was actually there in the image at all, and B) if it were there, a 6th lumbar surgery would likely result in a 3rd fusion extension to T/11, rendering me as about as flexible as a telephone pole. I’m mentally spent from surgeons looking at me with this blank stare, saying, “You’ve had a lot done to your back, so there’s no wonder it hurts. It’s nerve damage… It’s muscle damage… It’s failed this… It’s failed that.” While a small percentage of surgeons sleep well at night having earlier dismissed or blown off a patient in pain, they leave a line of patients in their wake who only needed one surgeon to think outside the box for an answer. It’s absolutely frustrating to the point of controlled anger. I’m sure you’ve treated patients who are at the ends of their proverbial ropes, just like me.
Another reason for perhaps investigating the SI Joint is that my symptoms, according to orthopedic clinical studies and research, are classic. Even down to variables such as the inability to roll over in the morning, to uneven leg length (my right leg is 1/2 inch shorter than my right), being stopped in mid-stride by a severe “catch” in the region of the joint, to the pattern of pain distribution. Per your advice, I recently had my PM anesthesiologist order AP/LAT films with extension and flexion views. Not to sound arrogant, but the radiologist’s reading and impression seemed woefully inadequate. Although the sacral region was ordered for the films, he mentioned nothing in terms of even looking at them, or acknowledging whether the area appeared normal or not. All his reading said, roughly, was “There is evidence of extensive prior surgeries. I see bolts and screws and a wristwatch and a Cracker Jack prize. Disk spaces are narrowed at all levels. I’m going golfing now. The end.” His impression said nothing about instability, pseudoarthrosis, or osteophytes, or the Chupacabra.
The neurosurgeon to whom I sent my records and MRI films should be calling this week with his ideas and theories as to the SI Joint Dysfunction. Obviously, he wanted to see a concise list of my symptoms prior to initiating any treatment or diagnostics. Money is also a factor for me… Although I’m a college professor, I don’t live in the Hollywood Hills (although our students think otherwise)… One advanced diagnostic scan of my SI Joint is more cost-effective for me than three more tests on my lumbar spine. Right now, I’m being “$100’d to death” with out of pocket charges for lumbar MRIs, X-rays, and pre-implant screening procedures for the neurostimulator.
QUESTION: Are neurostimulators indicated for patients with SIJD, should this be my ultimate diagnosis? I’m scheduled for implant within the next three weeks for lumbar-related pain, but am recommending my implant procedure be delayed only until the SIJD is ruled in or out. Is this a good decision?
Just being offered a definitive diagnosis at this point would do a world of good for me. I’m exhausted mentally from being labeled “beyond help”, or as having this nebulous, vague condition of Failed Back Syndrome, when my back may not be the culprit at all… Sometimes patients begin to think that surgeons and doctors are forgetting about being good investigators and seekers of the causes of symptoms. So, thank you for what you do, and again, your reply to my question is appreciated.
S.W., NC
in reply to: Myelogram vs. MRI post-ACDF (with plate) #6941Dear D.S.,
As one cervically-fused patient to another, I too have been put in the position of electing for a myelogram, or “nothing”… I’m fused with dynamic stabilization instrumentation from C2 to T2, as well as L3 to S1… Just a few weeks ago, my orthopedic surgeon ordered a standard MRI of my lumbar spine, with gadolinium enhancement midway through via intravenous injection. The radiologist did note in his report a, “significant amount of artifact” obscuring any assessment of L4 down… I’m wondering if a myelogram would’ve provided better clarity in identifying stenosis at those levels. Given the artifact in my spine, I’m also wondering why my orthopedist didn’t elect for the myelogram to begin with.
Hopefully, Dr. Corenman can provide some insight… Good luck to you.
S.W., NC
in reply to: Recent Diagnosed Bilateral Pars Fracture with Pain #6939LuckyStar68,
My apologies for posting a reply within your conversation with Dr. Corenman. Yet, having had a Workmen’s Compensation case related to a back injury some years ago, I just wanted to briefly post a comment as a prior (and current) patient just like you.
If your back injury is related to an incident while working, and you continue to experience pain and symptoms from that injury, please think twice before closing your current WC claim. No matter how low or high your pain levels are, you’re still enduring physical discomfort from that incident involving the adjustment of your patient. From your posts, I’m gathering that there’s still some discrepancy between doctors as to the nature of your injury, and as to what tests and treatments you may require.
If this injury is still not completely resolved, and if you’re still seeking treatments or appointments with specialists, keep your claim “open”, and do not allow the employer’s insurance company to pressure you into returning to work until you’re absolutely sure this issue has been addressed to its fullest. The WC insurance company, in order to avoid having to pay for further visits and treatments, will offer patient-employees a settlement to close their cases. This settlement might sound tempting, because it sounds like a decent amount of money at the time. But, if you close your case and accept the money, you are prohibited from ever having that same injury paid for again. In other words, when they tell you, “…until you’re injured again”, they’ll make absolutely sure your current injury isn’t re-claimed as something new.
I accepted a $12,000 settlement to close a back injury case years ago, which negated my ever being able to claim further medical intervention on that specific injury. Eight major spine surgeries later, and medical bills approaching $500,000, I wish I’d never done it. Every surgery I’ve had since I closed my case and settled has been directly related to the first injury. In retrospect, WC would’ve been required to pay for everything up to this very day.
Just look out for your best interest, and don’t close your case too soon until all treatments and diagnoses and potential surgeries have been 100% completed.
Take care, and I’m sorry for the interruption.
S.W., NC
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