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  • Donald Corenman, MD, DC
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    My interval of ordering X-rays depends upon the type of fusion graft requested by the patient. I offer the patient their own bone (autograft) or donor bone (allograft). I always use iliac crest bone graft as it has the best structural integrity with the greatest surface area of biological activity.

    I sometimes post-operatively follow patients that have had surgery elsewhere. There are surgeons that use PEEK cages (plastic) as spacers and some that use fibular allograft so I will delineate the algorithm for all of these.

    For autograft iliac crest patients, I obtain X-rays at six weeks and three months post-operatively. Almost all are healed by six weeks and three months confirms the healing. If there is a radiolucent line that still is apparent at three months, an X-ray at six months is required.

    For allograft iliac crest where I have performed the operation, again X-rays at six weeks, three month and then six months to confirm fusion (there is a higher non-fusion rate with allograft that needs to be followed).

    For PEEK cages and fibular allograft, I follow these cases out for at least one year with X-rays. Unfortunately, since the PEEK cage is biologically inactive, there will always be a “line” at the interface between the vertebral body bone and the cage. The fusion occurs inside the cage and is difficult to visualize without a CT scan. What I look for is evidence of non-fusion such as haloing of the cage against the bone, loosening/fracture of the screws or motion of the segment on flexion-extension x-ray. This is also the algorithm I use for fibular allograft as this thick cortical structure does not incorporate well into native bone. I have seen radiolucent lines three years out from the use of this graft material in spite of a solid fusion.

    Even with non-fusion, there is a small chance that with time, the fusion might “take”. If the graft fractures/collapses or the graft recesses into the vertebral body as the PEEK cages are prone to do, there might come a point that with settling the construct becomes stable and fusion might occur. This is why there are some fixation plates on the market that have a sliding channel for the fixation screws to compensate for this collapse.

    If the level has obvious fracture, graft collapse or erosion, the hardware is loose and there is motion on flexion/extension X-rays, a CT scan is used to confirm the pseudoarthrosis (non-fusion). If the level is painful or unstable, revision surgery is called for. This might take the form of a posterior fusion or a revision anterior fusion.

    Dr. Corenman

    PLEASE REMEMBER, THIS FORUM IS MEANT TO PROVIDE GENERAL INFORMATION ON SPINE ANATOMY, CONDITIONS AND TREATMENTS. TO GET AN ACCURATE DIAGNOSIS, YOU MUST VISIT A QUALIFIED PROFESSIONAL IN PERSON.
     
    Donald Corenman, MD, DC is a highly-regarded spine surgeon, considered an expert in the area of neck and back pain. Trained as both a Medical Doctor and Doctor of Chiropractic, Dr. Corenman earned academic appointments as Clinical Assistant Professor and Assistant Professor of Orthopaedic Surgery at the University of Colorado Health Sciences Center, and his research on spine surgery and rehabilitation has resulted in the publication of multiple peer-reviewed articles and two books.
    Droopy
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    Dr Corenman

    I have had an MRI and am not sure how the results will affect me now and later in life. We have a National Health system so information regarding what effects and treatment thereof is minimal. I have been watching your videos and found them most helpful in understanding some of my concerns.

    Cervical

    There is some low T1 signal within the marrow of the visualised cervical spine, which probably relates to marrow reconversion???
    C3-C4 there is mild central disk protrusion with no significant effacement of ventral CSF no canal or foraminal narrowing.
    C4-C5 No significant disk protrusion, canal of foraminal stenosis
    C5-C6 there is mild broad based bulge which effaces ventral CSF but does not impinge on the cord No significant canal of foraminal stenosis
    C6-C7 there is mild broad based bulge which effaces ventral CSF but does not cause significant mass effect on the cord or significant canal or forminal stenosis

    Lumbar

    There is mild intervertebral disk space narrowing and dehydration at L1-2 and L2-3. There is mild facet joint degeneration noted at L5-S1 bilaterally

    What should I be worried about as I am 49 years old and have pain issues that bother me. I am IDDM, have Hypertension and Haemochromatosis

    Regards

    Donald Corenman, MD, DC
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    You report pain in the cervical spine centrally. The lumbar spine pain most likely is from another source. The upper extremity symptoms seem to be variable. First, which symptoms are worse, the neck or the arms? If the neck, what is the percentage of neck vs. arms? 70/30, 80/20 or? What makes the neck pain worse? Does time of day make a difference? What is the intensity of the pain on a 0-10 scale?

    The X-rays can be revealing. You note significant degeneration of C4-7 and straightening of the normal lordosis curve. Straightening of the curve is typical with degenerative change of the discs. The discs are trapezoidal in shape and wear of these discs will straighten the spine.

    I will assume that you have already had substantial treatment in the form of physical therapy, chiropractic and other forms like acupuncture and medications. You report that injections have failed to give you relief.

    If you have failed everything and the symptoms are disabling, you might be a candidate for a work-up for surgery. First, facet injections might be in order. The cervical facets can generate central neck pain. Temporary relief of your pain with injection of the facets may make you a candidate for ablation of the nerves that send signals from the facets (rhizolysis).

    If that procedure gives you no relief, then you might be a candidate for fusion surgery. First, the range of motion of the C4-7 levels on flexion- extension films has to be very limited or there has to be instability present. Some surgeons would then use a test called a discogram to test discs above. This test would have to be negative (no pain generated from the discs above). You would then need a long talk with your surgeon regarding surgery, the expectations, the potential results- both good and bad.

    Dr. Corenman

    PLEASE REMEMBER, THIS FORUM IS MEANT TO PROVIDE GENERAL INFORMATION ON SPINE ANATOMY, CONDITIONS AND TREATMENTS. TO GET AN ACCURATE DIAGNOSIS, YOU MUST VISIT A QUALIFIED PROFESSIONAL IN PERSON.
     
    Donald Corenman, MD, DC is a highly-regarded spine surgeon, considered an expert in the area of neck and back pain. Trained as both a Medical Doctor and Doctor of Chiropractic, Dr. Corenman earned academic appointments as Clinical Assistant Professor and Assistant Professor of Orthopaedic Surgery at the University of Colorado Health Sciences Center, and his research on spine surgery and rehabilitation has resulted in the publication of multiple peer-reviewed articles and two books.
    Donald Corenman, MD, DC
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    Unfortunately, your information regarding the radiation from DMX machine is wrong. Each picture from the machine is about the same amount of radiation from one standard image. Based upon your statistics, you have had 2700 images of your neck at one sitting.

    X-rays are not static if performed at the endpoints of motion. For example, the lateral flexion and extension X-rays of the neck will show the endpoints of motion of each vertebra with the respective position. If you compare these endpoints of motion with the neutral lateral film, you gain the knowledge of pathological motion.

    DMX in my opinion will substantially over-diagnose many problems that are really normal variants. I assume that the surgeons you have seen also know this and in general, no one wants to perform surgery simply on the findings of the DMX.

    Dr. Corenman

    PLEASE REMEMBER, THIS FORUM IS MEANT TO PROVIDE GENERAL INFORMATION ON SPINE ANATOMY, CONDITIONS AND TREATMENTS. TO GET AN ACCURATE DIAGNOSIS, YOU MUST VISIT A QUALIFIED PROFESSIONAL IN PERSON.
     
    Donald Corenman, MD, DC is a highly-regarded spine surgeon, considered an expert in the area of neck and back pain. Trained as both a Medical Doctor and Doctor of Chiropractic, Dr. Corenman earned academic appointments as Clinical Assistant Professor and Assistant Professor of Orthopaedic Surgery at the University of Colorado Health Sciences Center, and his research on spine surgery and rehabilitation has resulted in the publication of multiple peer-reviewed articles and two books.
    frog37
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    Before my accident I was fine. I was never in any pain in my back or neck, I never had headaches, I traveled 100% for my job as a Senior consultant. I played volleyball, I exercised daily, I did yoga, swimming at least 3x a week. I was very active. I have been never married, no children. I was enjoying my life. I went jet skiing in August 2010. I was on the back of the jet ski when the accident happened. We were racing another jet ski going over 60mph (dumb I know) and I had my head turned far over my right shoulder to look back to see where the other jet ski was. There was a stump sticking up out of the water and driver hit the brakes turned the jet ski sharp to miss the stump and jerked my neck forward and backward with my head turned to the right looking over my shoulder. I was thrown off the jet ski and hit the water very hard with my head. It was like hitting concrete. The pain was instant in my neck. At the hospital the CT scan did show rotation in my cervical neck and the doctor said I had a sprained neck and to seek treatment.

    I am under the understanding that the DMX produces 2,700 x-ray images with the same amount of radiation as a standard x-ray machine, which gives you 6 static x-rays.

    I was told that a static x-ray evaluates only 2 of the 22 major ligaments of the cervical spine. The only two ligaments the flexion/extension x-rays detect are the anterior and posterior longitudinal ligaments. I was told a AP open mouth lateral bending static x-ray is difficult to capture to see the C1 sliding right or left.

    I was informed that the ligaments that are not diagnosed during static X-Rays are the following cervical ligaments.
    • Right and left alar ligaments
    • Right and left accessory ligaments
    • Transverse ligament
    • Five right capsular ligaments
    • Five left capsular ligaments
    • Five interspinous ligaments

    Here are my report findings from my DMX:

    Damage to the posterior longitudinal ligament is indicated by an anterolisthesis at C2 on C3 and C3 on C4.

    Damage to the anterior longitudinal ligament is indicated by a retrolisthesis at C2 on C3, C3 on C4, and C4 on C5.

    Damage to the capsular ligament is indicated by gapping of the facet joint at C5-C6 right.

    Damage to the capsular ligament is indicated by intervertebral foraminal encroachment of the facet joint at C5-C6 on the right.

    Damage to the alar and accessory ligaments is indicated by an overhang of the lateral mass of C1 bilaterally.

    Note: The term “Damage” as used in this report concerning any ligament represents a ligamentous laxity or instability due to excess stretching or tearing, and is therefore painful, progressive, and permanent.

    My cervical MRI was done in September 2011. The report findings of my cervical MRI showed normal but did state the following:

    -Thinning of the tectorial membrane.
    -Increased signal of the alar ligaments.
    -Retrolisthesis of the right lateral mass of C1 relative to the lateral mass of C2.
    -Moderate disc space narrowing at C5-6.
    -At C4-5 disc bulge with central 1 to 2 mm protrusion.
    -At C5-6 disc bulge with left central 2mm protusion.

    A neurologist recommended I see a surgeon.
    5 Chiropractors (evaluations) recommended I see a surgeon.

    I have seen 4 neurosugeons since the end of September 2011. I have been trying all the conservative treatments first. I have not seen an orthopedic surgeon yet.

    1. The first neurosurgeon said PT and pain management.

    2. The second neurosurgeon said psychiatry and wrote a prescription for bungee jumping and said there was nothing wrong with me and that I need to get back to work. I had to move back home to live my parents since I been injured and he said he cannot believe I would put this burden on my parents and I am just wanting attention (unbelievable).

    3. The third neurosurgeon said pain management and he does not do surgery on stretched ligaments.

    4. The fourth neurosurgeon said he is not comfortable doing C1-2 fusions in cases of stretched ligaments. He is only comfortable doing C1-2 fusions in cases of immediate trauma, dislocation, fracture, etc.

    I do not like to take medications. I’ve always been very health conscious. I am very sensitive to medications and I do not like the way they make me feel. Pain management is not going to fix my bones.

    How do I get help? What do you recommend?

    Thank you for your advise and time. It is greatly appreciated.

    frog37
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    Dr. Corenman M.D., D.C.,

    I have cervical instability at C1-C2. I had a C-Spine CT Scan, C-Spine MRI, but the tests do not show the instability. I had a Digital Motion X-Ray (DMX) done in mid July 2011. The DMX shows the damage in my neck. My whole neck is affected but the worst area in my neck is C1-C2. I have a significant overhang of C1 on C2 on both the left and right side on the lateral bending view on my DMX. My neck accident happened over a year ago (14 months ago). My condition has deteriorated over the last 14 months with the treatments I have tried.

    Treatments I have tried:
    -Chiropractic
    -Acupuncture
    -Tens Unit
    -Massage
    -Physical Therapy
    -Traction
    -Rest
    -Ice
    -Soft Collar/Hard Collar
    -Muscle Relaxants, Ibuprofen, Pain Medicines

    My Symptoms:

    -Pain under skull left side. Neck pain back of neck and under the skull

    -Head feels heavy

    -Blurry vision, flashes of light in eyes, black veils and spots in both eyes especially when I lay down.

    -Dizziness, nausea

    -Loss of balance when trying to walk. The soft collar helps with the balance if I wear it.

    -I get a lump in the back of my throat on the left side that comes and goes and I get muscle spasms behind my throat and just below my ear next to the jaw bone on the left side. The muscle spasms comes and goes.

    -Grinding, popping, clunking sounds under my skull and in my neck

    -Right after my accident my head would drop and tilt to the right. Now my head drops/tilts to the left and I can feel my C1 get locked under my skull on the left side. Then it will unlock again. My whole neck especially C1, C2, C3 is constantly locking and unlocking on the left side of my neck. I can feel my C1 moving around especially when I ride in the car even with a neck brace on. My eyes will go blurry when ridding in the car just from the vibration and bumps in the road.

    -Tender scalp pain on top of the back of my head on the left and right side.

    -Right ear pain, pulling feel, popping, pressure

    -My lips and tip of my tongue would only go numb when I lay down but now my lips, tip of my tongue and both hands are staying numb and tingling feeling. I am scared this numbness I am feeling will not go away.

    I have no quality of life. I do not want surgery but something has to fix/stabilize my neck I want my life back.

    Can over stretched cervical ligaments at C1-C2 heal? I would appreciate any advice you could provide me on ligaments that are completely stretched in the neck at C1-C2. My C2 also slips forward and backward on my DMX.

    I appreciate any insight you could provide me.

    Thank you for your time.

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