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Donald Corenman, MD, DC
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December 28, 2011 at 11:14 pm

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#5267 In reply to: MRI and Xrays done of neck and I have ?'s |

It may be that you sleep in an extended neck position. This extension will narrow the foramen that the nerve exits from. If there is spur or disc narrowing this outlet and your neck is extended, this will compress the nerve and eventually wake you up when the pain or numbness activates your reticular activating system (the awakening system). The symptoms in the hand may still may be carpel tunnel syndrome however.

Dr. Corenman

PLEASE REMEMBER, THIS FORUM IS MEANT TO PROVIDE GENERAL INFORMATION ON SPINE ANATOMY, CONDITIONS AND TREATMENTS. TO GET AN ACCURATE DIAGNOSIS, YOU MUST VISIT A QUALIFIED PROFESSIONAL IN PERSON.

Donald Corenman, MD, DC is a highly-regarded spine surgeon, considered an expert in the area of neck and back pain. Trained as both a Medical Doctor and Doctor of Chiropractic, Dr. Corenman earned academic appointments as Clinical Assistant Professor and Assistant Professor of Orthopaedic Surgery at the University of Colorado Health Sciences Center, and his research on spine surgery and rehabilitation has resulted in the publication of multiple peer-reviewed articles and two books.

ColoradoPT
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December 28, 2011 at 11:17 am

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Topic: Disc Replacement vs. Posterior Foraminotomy in forum NECK PAIN |

Dr. Corenman,
Thank you so much for this very informative web site. I am a 44 y.o female and I have had two lumbar discectomies (1991 and 1996); No surprise, I now have cervical disc issues. I was diagnosed with two C/S disc herniations about 6 years ago. My symptoms would periodically flare up for 2 or 3 days and with physical therapy and medication, it would resolve. This past Thanksgiving, I had a flare of nerve pain that did not resolve. An MRI showed a rather significant posterior/right herniation of C5C6 and mild disc herniation C6C7. I have had severe aching in R biceps/deltoid and an inability to extend C/S because of pain. I had an epidural injection on 12/22/11. Still waiting to feel results. Still is quite painful to do cervical extension–disc herniation causing physical blockage?
My interest in contacting you and doing it with this forum is to ask: When would you do a posterior foraminotomy vs. disc replacement? (other then bone spurs) I have read your site on these two procedures. How many cervical disc replacement surgeries have you done? What year did you start doing disc replacements? What has been your experience with the outcome? I have been an outpatient orthopedic physical therapist for the past 20 years and I am pursuing any alternative treatment to a fusion. I am lucky enough to live in Summit County so I will be seeing you personally, but I wanted you to share with the community your experience with cervical disc replacement surgery.

Robert1
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December 24, 2011 at 4:58 am

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#5258 In reply to: Spondylolisthesis and degenerative disc |

Thank you for your quick reply. The thing is, the MRI also showed I have extensive degenerative disc disease at L5-S1. Would this also be present if it was a isthmic spondylolisthesis? Would the spondylolisthesis be the cause of the disc degeneration? I assumed since I had the disc degeneration this was the cause of the spondylolisthis making it a degenerative spondylolisthesis. At this point I just want to preserve what I have and hopefully get at least pain and zap free.

Donald Corenman, MD, DC
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December 24, 2011 at 4:42 am

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#5257 In reply to: Spondylolisthesis and degenerative disc |

By the sounds of your MRI- this could either be a degenerative spondylolisthesis or an isthmic spondylolisthesis of L5-S1. Degenerative spondylolistheses are much more common at L4-5 and isthmic spondylolistheses are more common at L5-S1 but are not normally associated with degenerative facet disease. Both will cause foraminal stenosis which it sounds is one of your primary complaints (see website for details of each).

The MRI will be able to discern between the two but it may not matter for your treatment. Running will most likely aggravate the symptoms in either case so you will have to make the decision to truncate your running. You can replace running with cycling which is not specifically aggravating to the slip. Weight lifting without extension (no dead lifts and military presses) can be done safely with the proper techniques.

Chiropractic can give temporary relief and if it works for you, continue. A flat back positioning program in physical therapy will give you relief and a pilates PT works well if the therapist understands what to do.

The steroid medication most likely is not aggravating your symptoms but be careful of osteoporosis as this can be a side effect of prolonged steroid usage and can affect the disorder in the long term.

Most likely, this is an isthmic spondylolisthesis and the fracture of the pars occurred when you were young. The slow degenerative process that occurs with this condition finally became advanced enough to affect the foramen. It is very common for patients to present with this history.

Dr. Corenman

PLEASE REMEMBER, THIS FORUM IS MEANT TO PROVIDE GENERAL INFORMATION ON SPINE ANATOMY, CONDITIONS AND TREATMENTS. TO GET AN ACCURATE DIAGNOSIS, YOU MUST VISIT A QUALIFIED PROFESSIONAL IN PERSON.

Donald Corenman, MD, DC is a highly-regarded spine surgeon, considered an expert in the area of neck and back pain. Trained as both a Medical Doctor and Doctor of Chiropractic, Dr. Corenman earned academic appointments as Clinical Assistant Professor and Assistant Professor of Orthopaedic Surgery at the University of Colorado Health Sciences Center, and his research on spine surgery and rehabilitation has resulted in the publication of multiple peer-reviewed articles and two books.

Robert1
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December 24, 2011 at 4:10 am

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#5256
Topic: Spondylolisthesis and degenerative disc in forum BACK PAIN |

Hello Dr Corenman,

I am an active 46 year old male that was weight training, and running up until about mid October. At that time I started getting sciatica symptoms on my right side with glute pain, off and on leg pain, and the occasional zap. After about 4-6 weeks of no change I went to see a chiropractor who began treating it for a disc bulge. I did start getting some relief but insisted on an MRI because it seemed my symptoms were a little different. I get the classic relief when sitting or bending over.

I just received the MRI results and was expecting a bulge confirmation and was kind of shocked to find that I have, grade 1 spondylolisthesis of L5 on S1, extensive degenerative disc disease of L5-S1, possible spondylolysis but they can’t tell without CT, border line spinal stenosis at L3-4, and degenerative changes of the facets on L5-S1.

At this point I’m really bummed because I probably will have to stop running and weights. What should I do at this point? Will any type of PT get me to a point where I can be pain free and be able to do low impact excercise or should I start thinking about surgery now?

Should I continue with the chiropractor, I seem to have gotten some relief but maybe it’s coincidental?

I’m kind of surprised that I really didn’t receive any warning signals before it got to this point. I also have a very rare autoimmune disease called Relapsing Polychondritis and have been on about 17.5mg of methotrexate/week for about 3.5 years and my symptoms have been controlled. Do you thing the RP or the medication may have contributed to my disc problems? What usually causes this, is it just a lifetime of running and weight training?

Thanks for any help and guidance.

Yours Truly,
Robert

Donald Corenman, MD, DC
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December 22, 2011 at 1:05 pm

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#5250 In reply to: 20 year back pain when standing, no siatica, bulging annular disc |

The pathology demonstrates global degeneration changes at L5-S1 with degenerative disc disease, facet disease and central and foraminal canal narrowing. This canal narrowing is to be expected with degenerative changes. Think of the ligamentum flavum as floor to ceiling curtains in a house with the walls of the house as the height of the disc space. With degenerative changes, the disc flattens and the walls collapse.

The curtains would bunch inwards as the wall height shortens. This would crowd the “living space” of the house (the canal).

Standing and walking activities narrow the central canal and foramen. If the canal is narrow to begin with, this extra positional narrowing can create symptoms. However, these symptoms need to be differentiated from typical back pain from degenerative disc disease.

Foraminal stenosis normally causes buttocks and leg pain with walking and standing so your symptoms do not fit perfectly with that diagnosis.

Dr. Corenman

PLEASE REMEMBER, THIS FORUM IS MEANT TO PROVIDE GENERAL INFORMATION ON SPINE ANATOMY, CONDITIONS AND TREATMENTS. TO GET AN ACCURATE DIAGNOSIS, YOU MUST VISIT A QUALIFIED PROFESSIONAL IN PERSON.

Donald Corenman, MD, DC is a highly-regarded spine surgeon, considered an expert in the area of neck and back pain. Trained as both a Medical Doctor and Doctor of Chiropractic, Dr. Corenman earned academic appointments as Clinical Assistant Professor and Assistant Professor of Orthopaedic Surgery at the University of Colorado Health Sciences Center, and his research on spine surgery and rehabilitation has resulted in the publication of multiple peer-reviewed articles and two books.
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Eric S

Sep 26, 2021

by Eric S on Donald Corenman, MD, DC

Successful pars repair at 46 years old

Back in November of 2018 (at 46 years old) I came from Vancouver BC to have a pars repair done with Dr. Donald Corenman at the Steadman Clinic in Vail Colorado. I'm finally posting this review nearly three years later in late 2021. The reason I waited so long was I wanted to know the final result before I posted my review. Unfortunately in that time Dr. Corenman has retired. Nevertheless, I want to post this review of Dr. Corenman and his staff at the Steadman Clinic in their excellent treatment of my L5 pars interarticularis.

I fractured my pars at age 42 back in 2014 when rolling on the gym floor, and was denied treatment by the Canadian healthcare system, probably due to my age. First my GP told me there was no surgical option for a pars defect, which was quite incorrect! I tried to live with it, but the symptoms worsened (periodic random spine slippage and weeks of resultant pain after just bending over to tie my shoe, so I eventually learned to mostly squat and hardly bend). When I finally consulted with Canadian spine surgeons, I was told they believed my pars defect had been congenital (since birth). This was absurd, considering I had done extreme martial arts (including jiu jitsu) for years prior, as well as 5 years of reinforcing steel full time in my 20s, probably the hardest job on the back you can find. No pars defect like mine would possibly have allowed this--ergo it was impossible that I had had the defect since birth. I did however have an asymptomatic congenital spina bifida occulta that made me more susceptible to a pars fracture. In 2014 in one instant, I went from having the strongest back people I knew said they'd ever seen, to being unable to safely bend over and tie my shoe without a non-negligible risk of my spine slipping randomly (which would lead to weeks of pain after each occurrence). This was due to the unilateral L5 pars defect, otherwise known as spondylolysis. It was when lying in pain on the floor 4 years later after maybe the 6th spine slippage event post injury, that I had had enough, and resolved to have surgery. If Canada's "universal health care" said no, I would make lemonade from lemons, and find the very best surgeon in the world at pars repairs. That was Dr. Donald Corenman. Dr. Corenman back in 2018 ran a website https://neckandback.com/ that dedicated many pages to the science of every aspect of pars repairs, from eligibility (good discs on MRI), to best surgical techniques (minimal open compared to minimally invasive), best imaging to use (i.e., O-Arm with Stealth imaging vs. older fluoroscopy), the ideal amount of BMP to use and why not use too much or too little, and much more, all to do with pars repairs, pages upon pages of his site just on the pars, with scientific references and his own extensive expert opinion. As a health research statistician, I was very impressed with this. It was in stark contrast to the websites of other spine surgeons which barely gave the pars a word or two, focusing almost exclusively on fusions. I had found the best surgeon in the world for pars repairs, and so after Dr. Corenman personally screened my MRI to ensure my discs were healthy, I booked the surgery.

Being 46 years old at the time of surgery in 2018, with a 4-year-old pars fracture from 2014 combined with a congenital SBO meant my pars fragment was somewhat atrophied, but it was "very solid", said Dr. Corenman in the operative report. Nevertheless, it was challenging with two things to fix, the pars and SBO, and OR time was around 4 hours. Recovery over the following months was guided by a very clear "Spine binder" from the Steadman Clinic with strict rules of "no BLT" (no bending, lifting or twisting), and illustrated physiotherapy guidelines. They even warned patients to avoid fish oil supplements, which could excessively dampen inflammation and hence slow bone healing. They answered many questions I had during months of recovery, with responses coming from the very supportive Lori Fugate (then director of Dr. Corenman's practice), and Ehrich Bean (then physician's assistant at the practice), as well as a couple calls with Dr. Corenman himself after two of the CT scans. Ehrich Bean offered great advice for taking the spine binder conservatively due to the nature of pars repairs vs. fusions. The final post-op CT scan I had was a couple weeks ago at 34 months post-op, and Dr. Corenman had retired, but I got a very positive and informative call from Eric Strauch (current PA at the Steadman Clinic under Dr. Corenman's replacement there, and who had also worked with Dr. Corenman previously). The staff at the Steadman Clinic were extremely supportive all the way through the process. I should mention, the local Canadian spine surgeon did offer me very good post-operative support including antibiotics as needed to deal with a mild surface incision-site infection early on, booking numerous x-rays when I felt something was amiss, as well as booking all four of my post-op CT scans. I am very grateful for that support also.

My final result shows plenty of solid bone across the pars and a healed SBO, with my vertebral body now a solid bone ring instead of being broken at two places as it was pre-op. Does my spine hold up in the real world? You bet! I have recently dug and moved several yards of dirt and sand and gravel by myself (shovel and wheelbarrow!) to fix our water main, pulled roots from the yard, moved several "portable" (these are HUGE) air conditioners up several flights of stairs my myself, and lifted weights. I now run 2 miles (3.2 KM) several times weekly with a hard 100 meter dash in the middle. I bend deeply before each run I go on, with no spine slippage. My spine feels amazing. I can bend over to do exercise, or real word tasks, with no risk of spine slippage.

My sincere thanks to God, Dr. Donald Corenman, Lori Fugate, Ehrich Bean, Eric Strauch, and the Steadman Clinic, as well as the Canadian spine surgeon who offered me excellent post-operative care back in Canada. You have all given me a new lease on life.

Sincerely,
Eric S

Robert S

May 11, 2021

by Robert S on Donald Corenman, MD, DC

Back Fusion Surgery

I had my entire lumbar spine fused in November of 2018. I had scoliosis , with pinched nerves that were so painful I could hardly walk - and standing for more than a few minutes was impossible. Even sitting was painful.
The fusion surgery produced immediate relief! And the recovery was much easier than I expected.
To this day I can do all the activities I love from hiking, to standing in a stream fly fishing to riding my bike long distances - or just walking down the street with my wife.
Kudos to Dr. Corenman and his staff, (including the two Erics) for taking such good care of me!

Leslie R

Jul 9, 2020

by Leslie R on Donald Corenman, MD, DC

TLIF

I had my TLIF surgery on 6/24/2020 by Dr. Corenman, I can not say enough good things about the Dr or his staff. I was always treated with respect and explained everything throughly, that made it easy for everyone to understand. I highly recommend Dr. Corenman and the Steadman Clinic.

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