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#8446Topic: permanent cervical radiculopathy in forum NECK PAIN |
I am 10 years out from an anterior fusion of C5-6 and a posterior laminectomy (one month after my first surgery) and 4 years out from an anterior fusion of C3-5. I have had pain in my right arm since my very first surgery and was diagnosed with cervical radiculopathy this year-most likely from the C6-7 nerve area. All the information I can find on this is pre-surgery and how it resolves on its own. I have been unable to get a straight answer from anyone as to the permanent nature of this condition. I am in PT and just starting on Neurontin. The PT has helped my muscle pain in other areas (shoulder, trapezius) but has not touched the pain in my upper right arm. At times it is intense and disabling-I am trying to keep working as disability payments would only be a fraction of what I am earning in my new position. After 10 years I suspect this is permanent but can never get an answer to this question. Help!
#8438 In reply to: neck had it on the wrong board |Since I doubt you are a professional mountain biker or bump skier at this point, it does not appear that you put your neck at too much risk. The questions for C2-3 are two. One is stability and the other is pain. A set of X-rays with flexion/extension views would be helpful to determine stability. An MRI would look at the health of the disc, joints, nerves and spinal cord.
The C2 nerve is right next to the degenerative facets and can be compressed or irritated by these facets. This nerve (also known as the greater occipital nerve) travels over the back of the head and stops right above the eyes. Irritation to this nerve will cause pain and paresthesias (pins and needles) in this distribution. A nerve or facet block might be helpful to diagnose and possibly treat this disorder.
Dr. Corenman
PLEASE REMEMBER, THIS FORUM IS MEANT TO PROVIDE GENERAL INFORMATION ON SPINE ANATOMY, CONDITIONS AND TREATMENTS. TO GET AN ACCURATE DIAGNOSIS, YOU MUST VISIT A QUALIFIED PROFESSIONAL IN PERSON.
Donald Corenman, MD, DC is a highly-regarded spine surgeon, considered an expert in the area of neck and back pain. Trained as both a Medical Doctor and Doctor of Chiropractic, Dr. Corenman earned academic appointments as Clinical Assistant Professor and Assistant Professor of Orthopaedic Surgery at the University of Colorado Health Sciences Center, and his research on spine surgery and rehabilitation has resulted in the publication of multiple peer-reviewed articles and two books.You have multilevel degenerative changes in your cervical, thoracic and lumbar spines. You have had a previous ACDF fusion at C5-7. There is some concern that the C6-7 level did not fuse as the x-ray reading notes “Severe disc space narrowing C6-7” when it should read; “fusion C5-7 (not C5-6) vertebral bodies, fusion completely fused w/no visible residual disc material. A pseudoarthrosis (lack of fusion) could be causing your neck pain at this level but other degenerative levels could also be causing pain.
Nonetheless, the CT scan was read as a solid fusion of C5-7 but this scan might not have had the care taken for reading a solid fusion as it was performed for lymphadenopathy and not for fusion.
You have a degenerative spondylolisthesis of L4-5 as read by the radiologist (but not identified); “Slight anterolisthesis L4-L5” and “There is severe facet hypertrophy, there is thickened ligamentum flavum”. One of the questions is if this level is unstable. This would require X-rays including flexion/extension views. Instability could cause lower back pain, an instability pattern (see website for description) and neurogenic claudication (again-on website).
PLEASE REMEMBER, THIS FORUM IS MEANT TO PROVIDE GENERAL INFORMATION ON SPINE ANATOMY, CONDITIONS AND TREATMENTS. TO GET AN ACCURATE DIAGNOSIS, YOU MUST VISIT A QUALIFIED PROFESSIONAL IN PERSON.
Donald Corenman, MD, DC is a highly-regarded spine surgeon, considered an expert in the area of neck and back pain. Trained as both a Medical Doctor and Doctor of Chiropractic, Dr. Corenman earned academic appointments as Clinical Assistant Professor and Assistant Professor of Orthopaedic Surgery at the University of Colorado Health Sciences Center, and his research on spine surgery and rehabilitation has resulted in the publication of multiple peer-reviewed articles and two books.#8436 In reply to: Thoracic spine…what a nightmare… |Your thoracic spine displays degenerative changes associated with disc herniations at multiple levels. What is somewhat surprising is that you have a reduced kyphosis as most patients with this condition generally have an increased kyphosis from degenerative disc disease or Scheuermann’s disorder (see website).
In general, your spine surgeon is correct in that you should try every therapeutic method before you should consider surgery. I think that epidural steroid injections can be quite helpful for these disorders. Extension strengthening exercises are important (rowing type exercises) to reduce the load on the discs and get the cord away from the herniations.
Medications like NSAIDs, muscle relaxants and membrane stabilizers (Lyrica and Neurontin) should be tried.
If extension (bending backwards) feels worse than flexion, you might also have facet syndrome. Facets blocks can diagnose a facet disorder if extension yields no relief.
I will assume that you do not have long tract signs in your legs (imbalance, hyperreflexia and clonus) as your cord is working well.
Dr. Corenman
PLEASE REMEMBER, THIS FORUM IS MEANT TO PROVIDE GENERAL INFORMATION ON SPINE ANATOMY, CONDITIONS AND TREATMENTS. TO GET AN ACCURATE DIAGNOSIS, YOU MUST VISIT A QUALIFIED PROFESSIONAL IN PERSON.
Donald Corenman, MD, DC is a highly-regarded spine surgeon, considered an expert in the area of neck and back pain. Trained as both a Medical Doctor and Doctor of Chiropractic, Dr. Corenman earned academic appointments as Clinical Assistant Professor and Assistant Professor of Orthopaedic Surgery at the University of Colorado Health Sciences Center, and his research on spine surgery and rehabilitation has resulted in the publication of multiple peer-reviewed articles and two books.#8428 In reply to: just a question. |Neck pain can develop from the disc or the facet. Annular tears (see anatomy of the cervical spine on the website) may be ignored by the reading radiologist and facet disorders may be present even with a normal MRI. Flexion/extension X-rays may reveal a subtle slip that will not be revealed on an MRI. A good physical examination with careful attention to palpation of the facets may also reveal the problem.
Dr. Corenman
PLEASE REMEMBER, THIS FORUM IS MEANT TO PROVIDE GENERAL INFORMATION ON SPINE ANATOMY, CONDITIONS AND TREATMENTS. TO GET AN ACCURATE DIAGNOSIS, YOU MUST VISIT A QUALIFIED PROFESSIONAL IN PERSON.
Donald Corenman, MD, DC is a highly-regarded spine surgeon, considered an expert in the area of neck and back pain. Trained as both a Medical Doctor and Doctor of Chiropractic, Dr. Corenman earned academic appointments as Clinical Assistant Professor and Assistant Professor of Orthopaedic Surgery at the University of Colorado Health Sciences Center, and his research on spine surgery and rehabilitation has resulted in the publication of multiple peer-reviewed articles and two books.#8426 In reply to: neck had it on the wrong board |Surgery for your neck is predicated on many different conditions. Since you have no significant central canal stenosis, your spinal cord is most likely not in jeopardy. You then have to compare symptoms to the problems in the neck including disc degeneration, facet degeneration (degenerative spondylolisthesis) and nerve root compression. See the section under “When to have neck surgery” to obtain a better understanding of what surgical conditions look like.
Your question on the stability of the 5 mm anterolisthesis of C2-3 (which is a degenerative spondylolisthesis by the way) is a good one. Is this level stable with flexion/extension X-rays or does it move? Also, what activities are you involved with? If you have a sedentary lifestyle, then the risks are significantly lessened. If you are an avid mountain biker or jump horses, your risk increases.
Degenerative spondylolistheses are also typically found above and below significant degenerative discs. These degenerative disc segments increase the load on the levels above and below. The facets wear out and the vertebra slips on the one below.
Dr. Corenman
PLEASE REMEMBER, THIS FORUM IS MEANT TO PROVIDE GENERAL INFORMATION ON SPINE ANATOMY, CONDITIONS AND TREATMENTS. TO GET AN ACCURATE DIAGNOSIS, YOU MUST VISIT A QUALIFIED PROFESSIONAL IN PERSON.
Donald Corenman, MD, DC is a highly-regarded spine surgeon, considered an expert in the area of neck and back pain. Trained as both a Medical Doctor and Doctor of Chiropractic, Dr. Corenman earned academic appointments as Clinical Assistant Professor and Assistant Professor of Orthopaedic Surgery at the University of Colorado Health Sciences Center, and his research on spine surgery and rehabilitation has resulted in the publication of multiple peer-reviewed articles and two books. -
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