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#8827 In reply to: Advice Please on three level fusion in neck |
You have substantial degenerative changes at multiple levels in your cervical spine. Neck pain generally develops from degenerative disc and facet disease. Shoulder and arm pain is typically generated by nerve root compression. You have both finding on your MRI.
Surgery most likely can help you but will not return you back to when you were 16 years old. If your expectations are within range (reduction but not elimination of neck pain) and you have no desires to compete in the Olympics (you could be satisfied with only a modest increase in activity), the surgery could be quite helpful.
A three level fusion at C4-7 might not affect your range of motion much at all. Many people think that a three level fusion will significantly stiffen the neck. If your MRI reading is accurate, look at your flexion/extension X-rays. Have an expert measure the motion of these segments. Motion of these segments should normally be greater than 50 degrees but I bet your motion would be less than 10 degrees now with these degenerative segments.
This means that you would only lose ten total degrees of motion with a three level fusion. One bonus is that with pain reduction, you might even gain motion from a fusion as without pain, you might be more likely to move your neck further as the painful segments will not trigger a muscle spasm pain response.
The caveat here is the C3-4 level where it is noted “moderate disc degeneration and bulging. Large left foraminal disc osteophyte complex, resulting in severe left foraminal stenosis”. This could be a pain generator now or in the future and you would need a work-up to determine how symptomatic this level is. That might consist of discograms, selective nerve root blocks (SNRB) or facet blocks.
Dr. Corenman
PLEASE REMEMBER, THIS FORUM IS MEANT TO PROVIDE GENERAL INFORMATION ON SPINE ANATOMY, CONDITIONS AND TREATMENTS. TO GET AN ACCURATE DIAGNOSIS, YOU MUST VISIT A QUALIFIED PROFESSIONAL IN PERSON.
Donald Corenman, MD, DC is a highly-regarded spine surgeon, considered an expert in the area of neck and back pain. Trained as both a Medical Doctor and Doctor of Chiropractic, Dr. Corenman earned academic appointments as Clinical Assistant Professor and Assistant Professor of Orthopaedic Surgery at the University of Colorado Health Sciences Center, and his research on spine surgery and rehabilitation has resulted in the publication of multiple peer-reviewed articles and two books.#8826 In reply to: please see my mri and explain it some to me….thank you |Your base of skull pain most likely is from the degenerative spondylolisthesis at C2-3. This 5mm slip can only occur from severely degenerative facets. The facets here can cause substantial irritation of the C2 and C3 nerve (greater and lesser occipital nerves). These nerves radiate into the back of the head over to the eye and around the ear.
If the C2-3 level is stable (no motion with flexion/extension views) and you do not put your neck at risk (skiing, mountain biking, horseback riding, etc..), then you might not need surgery. However, if you do participate in some potential risky behavior or there is motion of this level, you would probably need surgery to prevent a potential catastrophic injury.
Assuming you do not engage in risky behaviors, facet blocks could diagnose your disorder (see the website for understanding of this procedure). You might then be a candidate for rhizotomies (again-website).
Dr. Corenman
PLEASE REMEMBER, THIS FORUM IS MEANT TO PROVIDE GENERAL INFORMATION ON SPINE ANATOMY, CONDITIONS AND TREATMENTS. TO GET AN ACCURATE DIAGNOSIS, YOU MUST VISIT A QUALIFIED PROFESSIONAL IN PERSON.
Donald Corenman, MD, DC is a highly-regarded spine surgeon, considered an expert in the area of neck and back pain. Trained as both a Medical Doctor and Doctor of Chiropractic, Dr. Corenman earned academic appointments as Clinical Assistant Professor and Assistant Professor of Orthopaedic Surgery at the University of Colorado Health Sciences Center, and his research on spine surgery and rehabilitation has resulted in the publication of multiple peer-reviewed articles and two books.#8825 In reply to: please see my mri and explain it some to me….thank you |I have severe pain under my right skull and pins and needle go to the top of my head. and also my left ear and jaw get pins and needles not as bad as my right side.I have had this for 14 mts. My pain comes and go. Driving my car makes it worse and so does sitting. My neck is very weak.
Had therapy,tens,hot,cold,accupture helped the most.Saw DR. in Halifax and he thinks I need a operation.
Going to have flexion/extension xrays in a few months to see if there is stability at c2 and c3 there. If my c2 and c3 is stable do you think surgery is necessary if I can live with the pain?
I am 72 so don’t do alot. Like to walk though.thank you so much
hope this is what you meant carolPlease please excuse me for not posting right….find it very hard to follow directions here…..sorry carol
#8815 In reply to: pars bilateral fracture |Dr. Corenman
I just got results from my flexion/extension x-rays and there is no slippage or instability. I believe that the back specialist at Mayo said that my discs were a little damaged but it wasn’t that bad. My fractures are also less than 3 mm I believe also, so do most doctors not know about this procedure? Because it seems like they don’t think I should have surgery but it doesn’t seem like they know about this.
Thanks
#8809 In reply to: Life after spinal surgery |The presence of the synovial cyst makes me think there might be an associated degenerative spondylolisthesis (see website) associated with this problem. Synovial cysts develop in degenerating facet joints and these joints can break down leading to the slip of one vertebra on the other.
In addition, recurrence of these cysts can occur in about 10% of operated patients. Recurrent disc herniations also have about a 10% recurrence rate.
A new MRI is warranted along with standing X-rays including flexion/extension views. This will determine what new or recurrent pathology has occurred.
Dr. Corenman
PLEASE REMEMBER, THIS FORUM IS MEANT TO PROVIDE GENERAL INFORMATION ON SPINE ANATOMY, CONDITIONS AND TREATMENTS. TO GET AN ACCURATE DIAGNOSIS, YOU MUST VISIT A QUALIFIED PROFESSIONAL IN PERSON.
Donald Corenman, MD, DC is a highly-regarded spine surgeon, considered an expert in the area of neck and back pain. Trained as both a Medical Doctor and Doctor of Chiropractic, Dr. Corenman earned academic appointments as Clinical Assistant Professor and Assistant Professor of Orthopaedic Surgery at the University of Colorado Health Sciences Center, and his research on spine surgery and rehabilitation has resulted in the publication of multiple peer-reviewed articles and two books.#8801 In reply to: I've done L5 S1 Microdescectomy.. need help. |Sorry i posted in here. I kept trying to make new post and it sent to the front homepage.
But from the response you gave me on my post about being 30 yrs old
description: transitional vertebra at L5-S1 .Normal vertebral body heights,disc spaces,and alighnment.Straightening of lordotic curvature.No change in alighnment with flexion orextension with limted range of motion.No visible fracture.Straightening of lordotic curvature represents a change compared to previous exam 4/14/07
impression
1) possible muscle spasms
2) transitional vertebra at L5-S1 with partially lumbarized S1 segment.I hope this helps from my earlier post.
Sorry i posted in here, Im new and i just couldn’t get a new topic started. I apologize
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