what is normal average disc in cervical spine mri

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October 4, 2021 at 12:59 pm

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“. 6 mm between C2-3 can be a normal finding.”
Its that measures space but not the measure the disc c2-3 (just in high point of Crosse the width (see very thin in point and max arrived to 4 mm (maybe also dark but c2-3 not available to replace i just point on example
But i clear the point when u measurements the disc in c2-3 its not 6 mm even not 4
So its different between the measurements the space in bone
To waht disc (this was very relative in one MRI I SEE .
U NOW understand me more
(If i see xr shows between bone 5.5 or 6 mm but mri show (the disc less that
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October 5, 2021 at 1:41 pm

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You say “Narrowing of the disk height by a small percentage is not an indication for surgery.”
What u call small percentage (I want to show u also (in my specific cases i don’t think its small percentage also c3-4 is degeneration (also losses high)
C4-5 losses high 2mm (max 2.5 mm)
** I m not spine surgeon but my opinion it’s is bad and not going to hold the facet FROM worn out (this was my first mr 2016 (u r expert and i think u also need to see this in your eyes (say u opinion (also maybe others expert can point (also if the think its normal (if facet arthritis developed and bone to bone ,its very relative this wronge opinion
(I m hold history paper also from before one month spine surgeon writing its normal (it is doesn’t if i could develop some cervical stenosis in 60 old its not normal but who maybe its happening more quick (my opinion even i m not spine surgeon)(i hope no off course but i realise i see by my eyes all mri 2016,2020,21 i know how to measurements the disc (i know to look facet in xr i know my symptoms
Its arthritis even cervical spondylosis i have (dr from Florida do great video on YouTube u can see him (and he also gave me a lot information (this great lecture )
Cervical stenosis
Thanks

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October 5, 2021 at 2:41 pm

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#34470

I’m unclear what your question is. Are you asking about disc height, cervical central stenosis or degenerative facet disease? Did we cover those questions already?

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October 5, 2021 at 6:54 pm

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#34486

Yes u right i need to talking just a bout the disc and what topic i talk (and i spread to talking a bout effect disc degeneration on facets and arthritis and how its cause Central stenosis (stenosis)
Ok if i want to ask q open other topic more realtive tags (but all things facet disc work together and caused stenosis so its contact (but i need to talk mostly in the topic
I m apologize a bout not order

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October 5, 2021 at 6:57 pm

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Bit u alao answers me with
“Narrowing of the disk height by a small percentage is not an indication for surgery.” so i need to commeny opinion and its relative to facets and arthritis developed stenosis (so iclear the

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October 6, 2021 at 2:56 am

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in the start u say this ” There is also a variation that is congenital. Central measures are from 5-8 mm.”
after u arrived you say :
“Narrowing of the disk height by a small percentage is not an indication for surgery” i understand this but (u you are referring to a specific case when u say that what a bout if the disc is 2.5 mm or degeneration and loss high a cross the width (who is expert can see this MRI and know if its indicate better to ADR
why u say that ?

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Sep 26, 2021

by Eric S on Donald Corenman, MD, DC

Successful pars repair at 46 years old

Back in November of 2018 (at 46 years old) I came from Vancouver BC to have a pars repair done with Dr. Donald Corenman at the Steadman Clinic in Vail Colorado. I'm finally posting this review nearly three years later in late 2021. The reason I waited so long was I wanted to know the final result before I posted my review. Unfortunately in that time Dr. Corenman has retired. Nevertheless, I want to post this review of Dr. Corenman and his staff at the Steadman Clinic in their excellent treatment of my L5 pars interarticularis.

I fractured my pars at age 42 back in 2014 when rolling on the gym floor, and was denied treatment by the Canadian healthcare system, probably due to my age. First my GP told me there was no surgical option for a pars defect, which was quite incorrect! I tried to live with it, but the symptoms worsened (periodic random spine slippage and weeks of resultant pain after just bending over to tie my shoe, so I eventually learned to mostly squat and hardly bend). When I finally consulted with Canadian spine surgeons, I was told they believed my pars defect had been congenital (since birth). This was absurd, considering I had done extreme martial arts (including jiu jitsu) for years prior, as well as 5 years of reinforcing steel full time in my 20s, probably the hardest job on the back you can find. No pars defect like mine would possibly have allowed this--ergo it was impossible that I had had the defect since birth. I did however have an asymptomatic congenital spina bifida occulta that made me more susceptible to a pars fracture. In 2014 in one instant, I went from having the strongest back people I knew said they'd ever seen, to being unable to safely bend over and tie my shoe without a non-negligible risk of my spine slipping randomly (which would lead to weeks of pain after each occurrence). This was due to the unilateral L5 pars defect, otherwise known as spondylolysis. It was when lying in pain on the floor 4 years later after maybe the 6th spine slippage event post injury, that I had had enough, and resolved to have surgery. If Canada's "universal health care" said no, I would make lemonade from lemons, and find the very best surgeon in the world at pars repairs. That was Dr. Donald Corenman. Dr. Corenman back in 2018 ran a website https://neckandback.com/ that dedicated many pages to the science of every aspect of pars repairs, from eligibility (good discs on MRI), to best surgical techniques (minimal open compared to minimally invasive), best imaging to use (i.e., O-Arm with Stealth imaging vs. older fluoroscopy), the ideal amount of BMP to use and why not use too much or too little, and much more, all to do with pars repairs, pages upon pages of his site just on the pars, with scientific references and his own extensive expert opinion. As a health research statistician, I was very impressed with this. It was in stark contrast to the websites of other spine surgeons which barely gave the pars a word or two, focusing almost exclusively on fusions. I had found the best surgeon in the world for pars repairs, and so after Dr. Corenman personally screened my MRI to ensure my discs were healthy, I booked the surgery.

Being 46 years old at the time of surgery in 2018, with a 4-year-old pars fracture from 2014 combined with a congenital SBO meant my pars fragment was somewhat atrophied, but it was "very solid", said Dr. Corenman in the operative report. Nevertheless, it was challenging with two things to fix, the pars and SBO, and OR time was around 4 hours. Recovery over the following months was guided by a very clear "Spine binder" from the Steadman Clinic with strict rules of "no BLT" (no bending, lifting or twisting), and illustrated physiotherapy guidelines. They even warned patients to avoid fish oil supplements, which could excessively dampen inflammation and hence slow bone healing. They answered many questions I had during months of recovery, with responses coming from the very supportive Lori Fugate (then director of Dr. Corenman's practice), and Ehrich Bean (then physician's assistant at the practice), as well as a couple calls with Dr. Corenman himself after two of the CT scans. Ehrich Bean offered great advice for taking the spine binder conservatively due to the nature of pars repairs vs. fusions. The final post-op CT scan I had was a couple weeks ago at 34 months post-op, and Dr. Corenman had retired, but I got a very positive and informative call from Eric Strauch (current PA at the Steadman Clinic under Dr. Corenman's replacement there, and who had also worked with Dr. Corenman previously). The staff at the Steadman Clinic were extremely supportive all the way through the process. I should mention, the local Canadian spine surgeon did offer me very good post-operative support including antibiotics as needed to deal with a mild surface incision-site infection early on, booking numerous x-rays when I felt something was amiss, as well as booking all four of my post-op CT scans. I am very grateful for that support also.

My final result shows plenty of solid bone across the pars and a healed SBO, with my vertebral body now a solid bone ring instead of being broken at two places as it was pre-op. Does my spine hold up in the real world? You bet! I have recently dug and moved several yards of dirt and sand and gravel by myself (shovel and wheelbarrow!) to fix our water main, pulled roots from the yard, moved several "portable" (these are HUGE) air conditioners up several flights of stairs my myself, and lifted weights. I now run 2 miles (3.2 KM) several times weekly with a hard 100 meter dash in the middle. I bend deeply before each run I go on, with no spine slippage. My spine feels amazing. I can bend over to do exercise, or real word tasks, with no risk of spine slippage.

My sincere thanks to God, Dr. Donald Corenman, Lori Fugate, Ehrich Bean, Eric Strauch, and the Steadman Clinic, as well as the Canadian spine surgeon who offered me excellent post-operative care back in Canada. You have all given me a new lease on life.

Sincerely,
Eric S

Robert S

May 11, 2021

by Robert S on Donald Corenman, MD, DC

Back Fusion Surgery

I had my entire lumbar spine fused in November of 2018. I had scoliosis , with pinched nerves that were so painful I could hardly walk - and standing for more than a few minutes was impossible. Even sitting was painful.
The fusion surgery produced immediate relief! And the recovery was much easier than I expected.
To this day I can do all the activities I love from hiking, to standing in a stream fly fishing to riding my bike long distances - or just walking down the street with my wife.
Kudos to Dr. Corenman and his staff, (including the two Erics) for taking such good care of me!

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Jul 9, 2020

by Leslie R on Donald Corenman, MD, DC

TLIF

I had my TLIF surgery on 6/24/2020 by Dr. Corenman, I can not say enough good things about the Dr or his staff. I was always treated with respect and explained everything throughly, that made it easy for everyone to understand. I highly recommend Dr. Corenman and the Steadman Clinic.

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