Symptom Management L5-S1?

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March 20, 2018 at 8:08 am

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I am a current patient, first seen in Sept. 2017 for neck pain and bicep weakness after an unconscious car fender bender, then later you looked at my scoliosis and rib pain. with an MRI also of my L5-S1.
I didn’t get any real details on the lower back, we ran out of time.

You suggested a DABCO chiro, we don’t have any in the area. Is there a reliable substitute?

Lower back symptoms have changed from what I expected were mildish stenosis symptoms to what may be the disk now? I did have paresthesias in both buttocks, mild aching, snapping sensation in the spine down there, dreadful leg cramps, and occasional fasciculations in my lower legs. For relief of both neck and back the last few months I’ve spent a lot of time in a curled up position, computer in lap to work, and all of the former tingley buttock back symptoms are gone.

A few days ago I had a brand new, really bad, aching in a horizontal band across both my upper hips, just under the spine. I used a hot patch and took an extra Aleve and a Tylenol. Two days later, when bending over carrying 20#, I was suddenly screaming with sharp horizontal stabs of pain on the right side only. Ten minutes of agony is all. I assumed it was a severe muscle cramp, but had no typical soreness the next day. I used a massager on it, then ice for 10 min, 20 minutes of walking, ice again, etc. (Old Dr. Copeland’s disk remedy from 30 years ago) and I was ok the next few days. I took 2 Medrol the next day and have taken 2 daily for three days, feeling good now and stopping them. (Wonder drug that I also use a bit of when the neck pain returns) New fasciculations though in the left medial quadriceps, never had that before this week.

I don’t sit in a straight backed chair for computer work anymore because my neck is still causing strong paresthesias in many positions, though I think the bicep weakness is about 3/4 gone 8 mo later. I couldn’t do one 10# curl at first.

I want to avoid exacerbating what are still fairly mild symptoms. I have stopped sitting curled up for more than a few minutes at a time. If reading/resting I use ice or heat, and prop my knees up, back rest position. I’m trying to walk walk walk.

So this seems new, what does it sound like to you and am I doing the right things? You said my L5-S1 looked like yours. I’m perfectly willing to exercise diligently if I can pick the right ones for these symptoms. Random chiro, or PT? YouTube back videos? Mostly all I do lately are flights of stairs and walking. Any quick thoughts?

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March 24, 2018 at 3:04 am

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A Chiropractor with sports certification will also be a good substitute.

As you know, in the office we can look at only one new area at one visit as it takes 1 1/2 hours to go through one spinal area with history, physical examination, evaluation of the images and a complete discussion of the disorder. I apologize that we can’t move any faster but it takes time to work up one area.

If your L5-S1 looks like mine, you are a member of the CBS club (crappy back syndrome) and it would not be uncommon to develop an annular tear or aggravation of IDR (https://neckandback.com/conditions/isolated-disc-resorption-lumbar-spine-idr/). See the section on chronic back pain management (“https://neckandback.com/treatments/conservative-treatment-mechanical-lower-back-disorders/”).

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PLEASE REMEMBER, THIS FORUM IS MEANT TO PROVIDE GENERAL INFORMATION ON SPINE ANATOMY, CONDITIONS AND TREATMENTS. TO GET AN ACCURATE DIAGNOSIS, YOU MUST VISIT A QUALIFIED PROFESSIONAL IN PERSON.

Donald Corenman, MD, DC is a highly-regarded spine surgeon, considered an expert in the area of neck and back pain. Trained as both a Medical Doctor and Doctor of Chiropractic, Dr. Corenman earned academic appointments as Clinical Assistant Professor and Assistant Professor of Orthopaedic Surgery at the University of Colorado Health Sciences Center, and his research on spine surgery and rehabilitation has resulted in the publication of multiple peer-reviewed articles and two books.

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March 24, 2018 at 7:05 am

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Thank you!

Superb page on conservative treatment which I had failed to find by myself. Bookmarked!
So I will find a chiro immediately and focus on core, ham stretch, glutes and quad strength.
I can’t express how much I appreciate the education you provide us, and the time you spend reaching out to people everywhere who need answers. I think you are unique among spine docs in this world.

Sandi

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March 24, 2018 at 10:48 am

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Good luck and keep us posted.

Dr. Corenman

PLEASE REMEMBER, THIS FORUM IS MEANT TO PROVIDE GENERAL INFORMATION ON SPINE ANATOMY, CONDITIONS AND TREATMENTS. TO GET AN ACCURATE DIAGNOSIS, YOU MUST VISIT A QUALIFIED PROFESSIONAL IN PERSON.

Donald Corenman, MD, DC is a highly-regarded spine surgeon, considered an expert in the area of neck and back pain. Trained as both a Medical Doctor and Doctor of Chiropractic, Dr. Corenman earned academic appointments as Clinical Assistant Professor and Assistant Professor of Orthopaedic Surgery at the University of Colorado Health Sciences Center, and his research on spine surgery and rehabilitation has resulted in the publication of multiple peer-reviewed articles and two books.
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Eric S

Sep 26, 2021

by Eric S on Donald Corenman, MD, DC

Successful pars repair at 46 years old

Back in November of 2018 (at 46 years old) I came from Vancouver BC to have a pars repair done with Dr. Donald Corenman at the Steadman Clinic in Vail Colorado. I'm finally posting this review nearly three years later in late 2021. The reason I waited so long was I wanted to know the final result before I posted my review. Unfortunately in that time Dr. Corenman has retired. Nevertheless, I want to post this review of Dr. Corenman and his staff at the Steadman Clinic in their excellent treatment of my L5 pars interarticularis.

I fractured my pars at age 42 back in 2014 when rolling on the gym floor, and was denied treatment by the Canadian healthcare system, probably due to my age. First my GP told me there was no surgical option for a pars defect, which was quite incorrect! I tried to live with it, but the symptoms worsened (periodic random spine slippage and weeks of resultant pain after just bending over to tie my shoe, so I eventually learned to mostly squat and hardly bend). When I finally consulted with Canadian spine surgeons, I was told they believed my pars defect had been congenital (since birth). This was absurd, considering I had done extreme martial arts (including jiu jitsu) for years prior, as well as 5 years of reinforcing steel full time in my 20s, probably the hardest job on the back you can find. No pars defect like mine would possibly have allowed this--ergo it was impossible that I had had the defect since birth. I did however have an asymptomatic congenital spina bifida occulta that made me more susceptible to a pars fracture. In 2014 in one instant, I went from having the strongest back people I knew said they'd ever seen, to being unable to safely bend over and tie my shoe without a non-negligible risk of my spine slipping randomly (which would lead to weeks of pain after each occurrence). This was due to the unilateral L5 pars defect, otherwise known as spondylolysis. It was when lying in pain on the floor 4 years later after maybe the 6th spine slippage event post injury, that I had had enough, and resolved to have surgery. If Canada's "universal health care" said no, I would make lemonade from lemons, and find the very best surgeon in the world at pars repairs. That was Dr. Donald Corenman. Dr. Corenman back in 2018 ran a website https://neckandback.com/ that dedicated many pages to the science of every aspect of pars repairs, from eligibility (good discs on MRI), to best surgical techniques (minimal open compared to minimally invasive), best imaging to use (i.e., O-Arm with Stealth imaging vs. older fluoroscopy), the ideal amount of BMP to use and why not use too much or too little, and much more, all to do with pars repairs, pages upon pages of his site just on the pars, with scientific references and his own extensive expert opinion. As a health research statistician, I was very impressed with this. It was in stark contrast to the websites of other spine surgeons which barely gave the pars a word or two, focusing almost exclusively on fusions. I had found the best surgeon in the world for pars repairs, and so after Dr. Corenman personally screened my MRI to ensure my discs were healthy, I booked the surgery.

Being 46 years old at the time of surgery in 2018, with a 4-year-old pars fracture from 2014 combined with a congenital SBO meant my pars fragment was somewhat atrophied, but it was "very solid", said Dr. Corenman in the operative report. Nevertheless, it was challenging with two things to fix, the pars and SBO, and OR time was around 4 hours. Recovery over the following months was guided by a very clear "Spine binder" from the Steadman Clinic with strict rules of "no BLT" (no bending, lifting or twisting), and illustrated physiotherapy guidelines. They even warned patients to avoid fish oil supplements, which could excessively dampen inflammation and hence slow bone healing. They answered many questions I had during months of recovery, with responses coming from the very supportive Lori Fugate (then director of Dr. Corenman's practice), and Ehrich Bean (then physician's assistant at the practice), as well as a couple calls with Dr. Corenman himself after two of the CT scans. Ehrich Bean offered great advice for taking the spine binder conservatively due to the nature of pars repairs vs. fusions. The final post-op CT scan I had was a couple weeks ago at 34 months post-op, and Dr. Corenman had retired, but I got a very positive and informative call from Eric Strauch (current PA at the Steadman Clinic under Dr. Corenman's replacement there, and who had also worked with Dr. Corenman previously). The staff at the Steadman Clinic were extremely supportive all the way through the process. I should mention, the local Canadian spine surgeon did offer me very good post-operative support including antibiotics as needed to deal with a mild surface incision-site infection early on, booking numerous x-rays when I felt something was amiss, as well as booking all four of my post-op CT scans. I am very grateful for that support also.

My final result shows plenty of solid bone across the pars and a healed SBO, with my vertebral body now a solid bone ring instead of being broken at two places as it was pre-op. Does my spine hold up in the real world? You bet! I have recently dug and moved several yards of dirt and sand and gravel by myself (shovel and wheelbarrow!) to fix our water main, pulled roots from the yard, moved several "portable" (these are HUGE) air conditioners up several flights of stairs my myself, and lifted weights. I now run 2 miles (3.2 KM) several times weekly with a hard 100 meter dash in the middle. I bend deeply before each run I go on, with no spine slippage. My spine feels amazing. I can bend over to do exercise, or real word tasks, with no risk of spine slippage.

My sincere thanks to God, Dr. Donald Corenman, Lori Fugate, Ehrich Bean, Eric Strauch, and the Steadman Clinic, as well as the Canadian spine surgeon who offered me excellent post-operative care back in Canada. You have all given me a new lease on life.

Sincerely,
Eric S

Robert S

May 11, 2021

by Robert S on Donald Corenman, MD, DC

Back Fusion Surgery

I had my entire lumbar spine fused in November of 2018. I had scoliosis , with pinched nerves that were so painful I could hardly walk - and standing for more than a few minutes was impossible. Even sitting was painful.
The fusion surgery produced immediate relief! And the recovery was much easier than I expected.
To this day I can do all the activities I love from hiking, to standing in a stream fly fishing to riding my bike long distances - or just walking down the street with my wife.
Kudos to Dr. Corenman and his staff, (including the two Erics) for taking such good care of me!

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Jul 9, 2020

by Leslie R on Donald Corenman, MD, DC

TLIF

I had my TLIF surgery on 6/24/2020 by Dr. Corenman, I can not say enough good things about the Dr or his staff. I was always treated with respect and explained everything throughly, that made it easy for everyone to understand. I highly recommend Dr. Corenman and the Steadman Clinic.

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