slipped disc or not... no leg pain...

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Miriam
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February 7, 2016 at 3:13 am

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Dear Sirs,

My osteopath tells me I have a medial slipped disc that is not yet pressing on the nerve hence no leg pain… I’ve asked my husband to do the leg raise test and nothing hurts… I don’t get it…
I’ve had back pain for over 8 years, I think I strained something eight years ago doing too much physical work, picking up things that weighed more than me. I saw a chiropractor for 6 months but that didn’t help. The past eight years I just didn’t do much physically because everytime I did it would get more painful. Then in July 2015 I did yoga for 3 weeks, made it ten times worse, I thought I was going to strengthen my back but it did the opposite! Finally in December I found an osteopath, I live in Thailand so not much treatment around here! After one visit I felt so much better. He said my psoas muscle was ‘buggered’ for lack of a better word, so worked on that. Then a few days before my next apt I broke up a fight between my dogs, and oops smth went very wrong. I was bent over double and couldn’t straighten anymore. Everywhere I’ve read a herniated or slipped disc you would bend sideways to accomodate the pain, the only place I felt comfortable was bent double, I couldn’t straighten at all. It wasn’t so much pain as I just felt stuck. After I saw him I could straighten a little better and he gave me a belt to wear to hold my back straight when I walk. I’m mostly resting now and just wear the belt 2-3 times a day when I walk anywhere, even to the bathroom. Please can you just tell me what condition would make a person bend forward like that, would make a person feel stuck in the forward position, but no pain down the leg… Is it possible it is a disc and he’s right? Unfortunately I’m in Thailand so can’t come and visit you and have no access to your type of Dr here either… I”m happy to pay for a consulation online, I fully understand there a limit to how much you can tell me without physically seeing me or MRI’s or X-Ray’s but a man with your experience would surely know what on earth makes someone bend forward and be stuck in that position.

Hoping to hear from you at your earliest convenience,

kind regards, Miriam Bryer (+66(0)801109644 (Thailand)

Donald Corenman, MD, DC
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February 7, 2016 at 6:45 am

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Your pain probably is from a degenerative disc. Without leg pain, it is unlikely that you have suffered a herniated disc that is compressing a nerve root. You have developed what I call a “lower back attack” (bent over to stay comfortable without leg pain). If this is the case, it will pass over the next week or so and you will probably be back to baseline.

If you develop leg pain in this episode (can take as long as 2 weeks to occur), then your probably developed a herniated disc. If this happens, make sure you do not develop leg weakness. See the section https://neckandback.com/conditions/home-testing-for-leg-weakness/ to check for this disorder. Weakness generally means surgery if you have the resources.

You can see if a local doctor might consider giving you an oral steroid like dexamethasone (Decadron) as this medication can significantly reduce the pain and swelling of an annular tear (the main component of lower back attack). This medication is not without some risks but can reverse the severe symptoms.

Dr. Corenman

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by Eric S on Donald Corenman, MD, DC

Successful pars repair at 46 years old

Back in November of 2018 (at 46 years old) I came from Vancouver BC to have a pars repair done with Dr. Donald Corenman at the Steadman Clinic in Vail Colorado. I'm finally posting this review nearly three years later in late 2021. The reason I waited so long was I wanted to know the final result before I posted my review. Unfortunately in that time Dr. Corenman has retired. Nevertheless, I want to post this review of Dr. Corenman and his staff at the Steadman Clinic in their excellent treatment of my L5 pars interarticularis.

I fractured my pars at age 42 back in 2014 when rolling on the gym floor, and was denied treatment by the Canadian healthcare system, probably due to my age. First my GP told me there was no surgical option for a pars defect, which was quite incorrect! I tried to live with it, but the symptoms worsened (periodic random spine slippage and weeks of resultant pain after just bending over to tie my shoe, so I eventually learned to mostly squat and hardly bend). When I finally consulted with Canadian spine surgeons, I was told they believed my pars defect had been congenital (since birth). This was absurd, considering I had done extreme martial arts (including jiu jitsu) for years prior, as well as 5 years of reinforcing steel full time in my 20s, probably the hardest job on the back you can find. No pars defect like mine would possibly have allowed this--ergo it was impossible that I had had the defect since birth. I did however have an asymptomatic congenital spina bifida occulta that made me more susceptible to a pars fracture. In 2014 in one instant, I went from having the strongest back people I knew said they'd ever seen, to being unable to safely bend over and tie my shoe without a non-negligible risk of my spine slipping randomly (which would lead to weeks of pain after each occurrence). This was due to the unilateral L5 pars defect, otherwise known as spondylolysis. It was when lying in pain on the floor 4 years later after maybe the 6th spine slippage event post injury, that I had had enough, and resolved to have surgery. If Canada's "universal health care" said no, I would make lemonade from lemons, and find the very best surgeon in the world at pars repairs. That was Dr. Donald Corenman. Dr. Corenman back in 2018 ran a website https://neckandback.com/ that dedicated many pages to the science of every aspect of pars repairs, from eligibility (good discs on MRI), to best surgical techniques (minimal open compared to minimally invasive), best imaging to use (i.e., O-Arm with Stealth imaging vs. older fluoroscopy), the ideal amount of BMP to use and why not use too much or too little, and much more, all to do with pars repairs, pages upon pages of his site just on the pars, with scientific references and his own extensive expert opinion. As a health research statistician, I was very impressed with this. It was in stark contrast to the websites of other spine surgeons which barely gave the pars a word or two, focusing almost exclusively on fusions. I had found the best surgeon in the world for pars repairs, and so after Dr. Corenman personally screened my MRI to ensure my discs were healthy, I booked the surgery.

Being 46 years old at the time of surgery in 2018, with a 4-year-old pars fracture from 2014 combined with a congenital SBO meant my pars fragment was somewhat atrophied, but it was "very solid", said Dr. Corenman in the operative report. Nevertheless, it was challenging with two things to fix, the pars and SBO, and OR time was around 4 hours. Recovery over the following months was guided by a very clear "Spine binder" from the Steadman Clinic with strict rules of "no BLT" (no bending, lifting or twisting), and illustrated physiotherapy guidelines. They even warned patients to avoid fish oil supplements, which could excessively dampen inflammation and hence slow bone healing. They answered many questions I had during months of recovery, with responses coming from the very supportive Lori Fugate (then director of Dr. Corenman's practice), and Ehrich Bean (then physician's assistant at the practice), as well as a couple calls with Dr. Corenman himself after two of the CT scans. Ehrich Bean offered great advice for taking the spine binder conservatively due to the nature of pars repairs vs. fusions. The final post-op CT scan I had was a couple weeks ago at 34 months post-op, and Dr. Corenman had retired, but I got a very positive and informative call from Eric Strauch (current PA at the Steadman Clinic under Dr. Corenman's replacement there, and who had also worked with Dr. Corenman previously). The staff at the Steadman Clinic were extremely supportive all the way through the process. I should mention, the local Canadian spine surgeon did offer me very good post-operative support including antibiotics as needed to deal with a mild surface incision-site infection early on, booking numerous x-rays when I felt something was amiss, as well as booking all four of my post-op CT scans. I am very grateful for that support also.

My final result shows plenty of solid bone across the pars and a healed SBO, with my vertebral body now a solid bone ring instead of being broken at two places as it was pre-op. Does my spine hold up in the real world? You bet! I have recently dug and moved several yards of dirt and sand and gravel by myself (shovel and wheelbarrow!) to fix our water main, pulled roots from the yard, moved several "portable" (these are HUGE) air conditioners up several flights of stairs my myself, and lifted weights. I now run 2 miles (3.2 KM) several times weekly with a hard 100 meter dash in the middle. I bend deeply before each run I go on, with no spine slippage. My spine feels amazing. I can bend over to do exercise, or real word tasks, with no risk of spine slippage.

My sincere thanks to God, Dr. Donald Corenman, Lori Fugate, Ehrich Bean, Eric Strauch, and the Steadman Clinic, as well as the Canadian spine surgeon who offered me excellent post-operative care back in Canada. You have all given me a new lease on life.

Sincerely,
Eric S

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I had my entire lumbar spine fused in November of 2018. I had scoliosis , with pinched nerves that were so painful I could hardly walk - and standing for more than a few minutes was impossible. Even sitting was painful.
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slipped disc or not… no leg pain…