Severe Scarring from surgery causing pain

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LMcIlvried
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July 22, 2014 at 12:02 am

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I was told that I have sever scarring from the surgery from when I was fifteen years old. It is causing a lot of pain. Around my scar, it is inflamed, and there is like, a hard part around the scar, harder than the rest of my back at least. Also, I’ve been experiencing a lot of pain from the area of the tail bone, it has been making it difficult for me to stand, get dressed, and when I do get up I have to walk with my back hunched over. I am wondering if there is anything that can be done about the scarring, and what could be going on with my tail bone? There hasn’t been any type of injury to it. Ibuprofen does help, and my pain management started my on suboxone. I know what suboxen is typically used for, but since I didn’t want to take any kind of opiates, he said that there has been research that says it can be helpful to manage pain, especially aches and pains in the muscles, because I have fibromyalgia. The suboxen helps with muscle and pain aches, yet it is not helping at the moment for my back at all… I also take Gabapentin for the fibromyalgia as well. So I don’t believe it is associated with the fibromyalgia, as these medicines are not helping with it. I would like to know what to tell my doctor so that I can make an appointment to see the right specialist. I know I am going to need an MRI because of the amount of pain I am in, but I need to know whether to got to a rheumatologist, an orthopedic doctor, spine surgeon, etc. Really appreciate your help! Thank you very much Dr. Corenman! This forum is really helpfully, especially since my neck and back cause me so much pain!

Donald Corenman, MD, DC
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July 24, 2014 at 2:11 am

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Scarring of the incision is not the same as scarring of the nerve roots in the lumbar spine. A severe and even a tender or painful scar on the skin does not reflect on scarring in the spinal canal.

The “tail bone” has many connotations to patients. Some individuals correctly point to their coccyx (right in the middle of the gluteal cleft) and others mistakenly point to their sacrum or even sacroiliac joints as the “tailbone”.

If this is true coccyx pain, there are many causes including injury to the coccyx joints, referal pain from a nerve root or even an inflammatory syndrome called pudendal neuropathy.

The first stop for a consultation could be a PM&R doc, a pain doctor, a spine surgeon or a neurologist who specializes in this area.

Dr. Corenman

PLEASE REMEMBER, THIS FORUM IS MEANT TO PROVIDE GENERAL INFORMATION ON SPINE ANATOMY, CONDITIONS AND TREATMENTS. TO GET AN ACCURATE DIAGNOSIS, YOU MUST VISIT A QUALIFIED PROFESSIONAL IN PERSON.

Donald Corenman, MD, DC is a highly-regarded spine surgeon, considered an expert in the area of neck and back pain. Trained as both a Medical Doctor and Doctor of Chiropractic, Dr. Corenman earned academic appointments as Clinical Assistant Professor and Assistant Professor of Orthopaedic Surgery at the University of Colorado Health Sciences Center, and his research on spine surgery and rehabilitation has resulted in the publication of multiple peer-reviewed articles and two books.

LMcIlvried
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July 24, 2014 at 10:12 am

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Dr. Corenman,
Upon reading your response, I looked up some diagrams of the spine, and the severe pain I am feeling is, in fact, the Coccyx. I feel terrible pain upon sitting, that makes it very difficult to stand after sitting for more than about ten minutes. I had a bruised tailbone before, when I was younger, but this is way worse, and I can say that no injury to the tailbone occurred, is there any distinctive characteristic/symptom that could help me to differentiate between the pain from a nerve root and the inflammatory syndrome? Just curious! Thank you so much for your time!
Sincerely,
Laura

Donald Corenman, MD, DC
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July 24, 2014 at 7:44 pm

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Coccydynia can occur from injury to the supporting ligamentous structures. These ligaments become painful with stress (such as in sitting). You could call this “tennis elbow of the butt”.

Normally, in referral pain, the area will be painful but not extremely tender. Pain is what you feel without provocation. Tenderness is pain generated by pressure against the area. In true coccydynia, pressure against the coccyx will be very painful.

You can have a steroid injection or PRP injection here to help calm down the inflammation. There are some greater risks with an injection here. The skin is thinner and steroids can rarely thin the skin even more or cause an ulcer. This area obviously has a higher bacteria burden. Infection after injection is also possible.

Dr. Corenman

PLEASE REMEMBER, THIS FORUM IS MEANT TO PROVIDE GENERAL INFORMATION ON SPINE ANATOMY, CONDITIONS AND TREATMENTS. TO GET AN ACCURATE DIAGNOSIS, YOU MUST VISIT A QUALIFIED PROFESSIONAL IN PERSON.

Donald Corenman, MD, DC is a highly-regarded spine surgeon, considered an expert in the area of neck and back pain. Trained as both a Medical Doctor and Doctor of Chiropractic, Dr. Corenman earned academic appointments as Clinical Assistant Professor and Assistant Professor of Orthopaedic Surgery at the University of Colorado Health Sciences Center, and his research on spine surgery and rehabilitation has resulted in the publication of multiple peer-reviewed articles and two books.
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Eric S

Sep 26, 2021

by Eric S on Donald Corenman, MD, DC

Successful pars repair at 46 years old

Back in November of 2018 (at 46 years old) I came from Vancouver BC to have a pars repair done with Dr. Donald Corenman at the Steadman Clinic in Vail Colorado. I'm finally posting this review nearly three years later in late 2021. The reason I waited so long was I wanted to know the final result before I posted my review. Unfortunately in that time Dr. Corenman has retired. Nevertheless, I want to post this review of Dr. Corenman and his staff at the Steadman Clinic in their excellent treatment of my L5 pars interarticularis.

I fractured my pars at age 42 back in 2014 when rolling on the gym floor, and was denied treatment by the Canadian healthcare system, probably due to my age. First my GP told me there was no surgical option for a pars defect, which was quite incorrect! I tried to live with it, but the symptoms worsened (periodic random spine slippage and weeks of resultant pain after just bending over to tie my shoe, so I eventually learned to mostly squat and hardly bend). When I finally consulted with Canadian spine surgeons, I was told they believed my pars defect had been congenital (since birth). This was absurd, considering I had done extreme martial arts (including jiu jitsu) for years prior, as well as 5 years of reinforcing steel full time in my 20s, probably the hardest job on the back you can find. No pars defect like mine would possibly have allowed this--ergo it was impossible that I had had the defect since birth. I did however have an asymptomatic congenital spina bifida occulta that made me more susceptible to a pars fracture. In 2014 in one instant, I went from having the strongest back people I knew said they'd ever seen, to being unable to safely bend over and tie my shoe without a non-negligible risk of my spine slipping randomly (which would lead to weeks of pain after each occurrence). This was due to the unilateral L5 pars defect, otherwise known as spondylolysis. It was when lying in pain on the floor 4 years later after maybe the 6th spine slippage event post injury, that I had had enough, and resolved to have surgery. If Canada's "universal health care" said no, I would make lemonade from lemons, and find the very best surgeon in the world at pars repairs. That was Dr. Donald Corenman. Dr. Corenman back in 2018 ran a website https://neckandback.com/ that dedicated many pages to the science of every aspect of pars repairs, from eligibility (good discs on MRI), to best surgical techniques (minimal open compared to minimally invasive), best imaging to use (i.e., O-Arm with Stealth imaging vs. older fluoroscopy), the ideal amount of BMP to use and why not use too much or too little, and much more, all to do with pars repairs, pages upon pages of his site just on the pars, with scientific references and his own extensive expert opinion. As a health research statistician, I was very impressed with this. It was in stark contrast to the websites of other spine surgeons which barely gave the pars a word or two, focusing almost exclusively on fusions. I had found the best surgeon in the world for pars repairs, and so after Dr. Corenman personally screened my MRI to ensure my discs were healthy, I booked the surgery.

Being 46 years old at the time of surgery in 2018, with a 4-year-old pars fracture from 2014 combined with a congenital SBO meant my pars fragment was somewhat atrophied, but it was "very solid", said Dr. Corenman in the operative report. Nevertheless, it was challenging with two things to fix, the pars and SBO, and OR time was around 4 hours. Recovery over the following months was guided by a very clear "Spine binder" from the Steadman Clinic with strict rules of "no BLT" (no bending, lifting or twisting), and illustrated physiotherapy guidelines. They even warned patients to avoid fish oil supplements, which could excessively dampen inflammation and hence slow bone healing. They answered many questions I had during months of recovery, with responses coming from the very supportive Lori Fugate (then director of Dr. Corenman's practice), and Ehrich Bean (then physician's assistant at the practice), as well as a couple calls with Dr. Corenman himself after two of the CT scans. Ehrich Bean offered great advice for taking the spine binder conservatively due to the nature of pars repairs vs. fusions. The final post-op CT scan I had was a couple weeks ago at 34 months post-op, and Dr. Corenman had retired, but I got a very positive and informative call from Eric Strauch (current PA at the Steadman Clinic under Dr. Corenman's replacement there, and who had also worked with Dr. Corenman previously). The staff at the Steadman Clinic were extremely supportive all the way through the process. I should mention, the local Canadian spine surgeon did offer me very good post-operative support including antibiotics as needed to deal with a mild surface incision-site infection early on, booking numerous x-rays when I felt something was amiss, as well as booking all four of my post-op CT scans. I am very grateful for that support also.

My final result shows plenty of solid bone across the pars and a healed SBO, with my vertebral body now a solid bone ring instead of being broken at two places as it was pre-op. Does my spine hold up in the real world? You bet! I have recently dug and moved several yards of dirt and sand and gravel by myself (shovel and wheelbarrow!) to fix our water main, pulled roots from the yard, moved several "portable" (these are HUGE) air conditioners up several flights of stairs my myself, and lifted weights. I now run 2 miles (3.2 KM) several times weekly with a hard 100 meter dash in the middle. I bend deeply before each run I go on, with no spine slippage. My spine feels amazing. I can bend over to do exercise, or real word tasks, with no risk of spine slippage.

My sincere thanks to God, Dr. Donald Corenman, Lori Fugate, Ehrich Bean, Eric Strauch, and the Steadman Clinic, as well as the Canadian spine surgeon who offered me excellent post-operative care back in Canada. You have all given me a new lease on life.

Sincerely,
Eric S

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May 11, 2021

by Robert S on Donald Corenman, MD, DC

Back Fusion Surgery

I had my entire lumbar spine fused in November of 2018. I had scoliosis , with pinched nerves that were so painful I could hardly walk - and standing for more than a few minutes was impossible. Even sitting was painful.
The fusion surgery produced immediate relief! And the recovery was much easier than I expected.
To this day I can do all the activities I love from hiking, to standing in a stream fly fishing to riding my bike long distances - or just walking down the street with my wife.
Kudos to Dr. Corenman and his staff, (including the two Erics) for taking such good care of me!

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Jul 9, 2020

by Leslie R on Donald Corenman, MD, DC

TLIF

I had my TLIF surgery on 6/24/2020 by Dr. Corenman, I can not say enough good things about the Dr or his staff. I was always treated with respect and explained everything throughly, that made it easy for everyone to understand. I highly recommend Dr. Corenman and the Steadman Clinic.

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