Right Side Lower Back and Leg+Foot pain

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arvj1211
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November 16, 2011 at 5:43 am

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Doctor

Thank you for your insight.
I will get a second opinion from another PM&R. Meanwhile, I have learned to do some pain and stress management by meditation and breathing exercises. So an additional 10-20% control/relief over my pain. So overall 60-70% reduction in pain. Next I am going to change my bed and pillows since I get up stiff in my muscles.
Also, I have found 2 exercises that seem to relieve pain to some extent.

Do you think a mild disc bulge/reduction in discspace at L5-S1 (as was diagnosed) can be healed by exercises and good care over a period of time?

Thanks again.

arvj1211
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January 2, 2012 at 12:48 pm

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I am back with updates on my condition!
So it has been 4 months since I first had pains in my back/leg.

After 3 months the pains subsided significantly. But since last 15 days they flared up again. And surprisingly this time (and the first time) it started off on left side lower back and some in my arms and wrist. So I was nervous about it.

My x-ray report had Sacralization. My MRI had Lumbarization, mild disc bulge. I saw another PM&R. He said its Sacralization and cannot rule out SI dysfunction.

He suggested Transforaminal epidural at S1 level. 2 injections 2 weeks apart. And he thinks I might have to take those every year.

Do you think the injection at only the S1 level is suggested for pain due to Sacralization or the symptoms that I have?

Thanks for your great advice.

Donald Corenman, MD, DC
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January 2, 2012 at 10:38 pm

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Injections are quite valuable and can control pain in many patients. Whether you have sacralization of L5 or lumbarization of S1 is not very important as they are cousins and close to the same thing.

Pain can generate from the disc, the transverse-alar articulation or from the sacroiliac joint. The transverse-alar articulation is the extra piece of bone that joins the vertebra to the sacrum on the side. It is very unusual that this joint causes pain but I have seen this cause pain before. It is also unusual that the sacroiliac joint causes pain but somewhat more common than the transverse-alar articulation to cause pain.

Depending upon the situation, I am a big fan of avoiding surgery and use of injections for management of back pain. If the pain is tolerable and injections keeps the pain under control, I endorse injections on a regular basis.

Dr. Corenman

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arvj1211
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January 3, 2012 at 2:27 am

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Doctor

Thanks for your analysis.

Pinpointing the cause of the pain has been a challenge.
But more than that, my quest is to understand that given the 3 possible conditions – 1. mild l5-s1 disc bulge 2. sacralization/lumbarization 3. SI joint issue, does the injection at single level-S1 cover the bases generously towards addressing the pain.
Or do I need to have the injection locations explored more with another PM&R.
Your suggestions are always valuable.

Thanks

Donald Corenman, MD, DC
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January 3, 2012 at 4:32 am

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It depends upon your goals. If you want pain relief and do not care where the pain generator is, a large volume epidural is called for. This injection will most likely relieve pain from a degenerative disc and may give some relief from a transverse-alar pain generator. It should not relieve pain from a sacroiliac joint.

If you want to be specific to possibly use a minimally invasive treatment in the future (rhizolysis- see website), you would need to have specific blocks performed. Seperately,a transverse-alar block, a sacroiliac block and then an epidural injection need to be performed to differentiate pain generators.

Dr. Corenman

PLEASE REMEMBER, THIS FORUM IS MEANT TO PROVIDE GENERAL INFORMATION ON SPINE ANATOMY, CONDITIONS AND TREATMENTS. TO GET AN ACCURATE DIAGNOSIS, YOU MUST VISIT A QUALIFIED PROFESSIONAL IN PERSON.

Donald Corenman, MD, DC is a highly-regarded spine surgeon, considered an expert in the area of neck and back pain. Trained as both a Medical Doctor and Doctor of Chiropractic, Dr. Corenman earned academic appointments as Clinical Assistant Professor and Assistant Professor of Orthopaedic Surgery at the University of Colorado Health Sciences Center, and his research on spine surgery and rehabilitation has resulted in the publication of multiple peer-reviewed articles and two books.

arvj1211
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January 3, 2012 at 5:19 am

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Thank you Doctor for your suggestions.

I would be seeing another PM&R in 2 weeks. Will update you on further analysis and what is proposed to me.

Wish you a Happy new year.
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by Eric S on Donald Corenman, MD, DC

Successful pars repair at 46 years old

Back in November of 2018 (at 46 years old) I came from Vancouver BC to have a pars repair done with Dr. Donald Corenman at the Steadman Clinic in Vail Colorado. I'm finally posting this review nearly three years later in late 2021. The reason I waited so long was I wanted to know the final result before I posted my review. Unfortunately in that time Dr. Corenman has retired. Nevertheless, I want to post this review of Dr. Corenman and his staff at the Steadman Clinic in their excellent treatment of my L5 pars interarticularis.

I fractured my pars at age 42 back in 2014 when rolling on the gym floor, and was denied treatment by the Canadian healthcare system, probably due to my age. First my GP told me there was no surgical option for a pars defect, which was quite incorrect! I tried to live with it, but the symptoms worsened (periodic random spine slippage and weeks of resultant pain after just bending over to tie my shoe, so I eventually learned to mostly squat and hardly bend). When I finally consulted with Canadian spine surgeons, I was told they believed my pars defect had been congenital (since birth). This was absurd, considering I had done extreme martial arts (including jiu jitsu) for years prior, as well as 5 years of reinforcing steel full time in my 20s, probably the hardest job on the back you can find. No pars defect like mine would possibly have allowed this--ergo it was impossible that I had had the defect since birth. I did however have an asymptomatic congenital spina bifida occulta that made me more susceptible to a pars fracture. In 2014 in one instant, I went from having the strongest back people I knew said they'd ever seen, to being unable to safely bend over and tie my shoe without a non-negligible risk of my spine slipping randomly (which would lead to weeks of pain after each occurrence). This was due to the unilateral L5 pars defect, otherwise known as spondylolysis. It was when lying in pain on the floor 4 years later after maybe the 6th spine slippage event post injury, that I had had enough, and resolved to have surgery. If Canada's "universal health care" said no, I would make lemonade from lemons, and find the very best surgeon in the world at pars repairs. That was Dr. Donald Corenman. Dr. Corenman back in 2018 ran a website https://neckandback.com/ that dedicated many pages to the science of every aspect of pars repairs, from eligibility (good discs on MRI), to best surgical techniques (minimal open compared to minimally invasive), best imaging to use (i.e., O-Arm with Stealth imaging vs. older fluoroscopy), the ideal amount of BMP to use and why not use too much or too little, and much more, all to do with pars repairs, pages upon pages of his site just on the pars, with scientific references and his own extensive expert opinion. As a health research statistician, I was very impressed with this. It was in stark contrast to the websites of other spine surgeons which barely gave the pars a word or two, focusing almost exclusively on fusions. I had found the best surgeon in the world for pars repairs, and so after Dr. Corenman personally screened my MRI to ensure my discs were healthy, I booked the surgery.

Being 46 years old at the time of surgery in 2018, with a 4-year-old pars fracture from 2014 combined with a congenital SBO meant my pars fragment was somewhat atrophied, but it was "very solid", said Dr. Corenman in the operative report. Nevertheless, it was challenging with two things to fix, the pars and SBO, and OR time was around 4 hours. Recovery over the following months was guided by a very clear "Spine binder" from the Steadman Clinic with strict rules of "no BLT" (no bending, lifting or twisting), and illustrated physiotherapy guidelines. They even warned patients to avoid fish oil supplements, which could excessively dampen inflammation and hence slow bone healing. They answered many questions I had during months of recovery, with responses coming from the very supportive Lori Fugate (then director of Dr. Corenman's practice), and Ehrich Bean (then physician's assistant at the practice), as well as a couple calls with Dr. Corenman himself after two of the CT scans. Ehrich Bean offered great advice for taking the spine binder conservatively due to the nature of pars repairs vs. fusions. The final post-op CT scan I had was a couple weeks ago at 34 months post-op, and Dr. Corenman had retired, but I got a very positive and informative call from Eric Strauch (current PA at the Steadman Clinic under Dr. Corenman's replacement there, and who had also worked with Dr. Corenman previously). The staff at the Steadman Clinic were extremely supportive all the way through the process. I should mention, the local Canadian spine surgeon did offer me very good post-operative support including antibiotics as needed to deal with a mild surface incision-site infection early on, booking numerous x-rays when I felt something was amiss, as well as booking all four of my post-op CT scans. I am very grateful for that support also.

My final result shows plenty of solid bone across the pars and a healed SBO, with my vertebral body now a solid bone ring instead of being broken at two places as it was pre-op. Does my spine hold up in the real world? You bet! I have recently dug and moved several yards of dirt and sand and gravel by myself (shovel and wheelbarrow!) to fix our water main, pulled roots from the yard, moved several "portable" (these are HUGE) air conditioners up several flights of stairs my myself, and lifted weights. I now run 2 miles (3.2 KM) several times weekly with a hard 100 meter dash in the middle. I bend deeply before each run I go on, with no spine slippage. My spine feels amazing. I can bend over to do exercise, or real word tasks, with no risk of spine slippage.

My sincere thanks to God, Dr. Donald Corenman, Lori Fugate, Ehrich Bean, Eric Strauch, and the Steadman Clinic, as well as the Canadian spine surgeon who offered me excellent post-operative care back in Canada. You have all given me a new lease on life.

Sincerely,
Eric S

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I had my entire lumbar spine fused in November of 2018. I had scoliosis , with pinched nerves that were so painful I could hardly walk - and standing for more than a few minutes was impossible. Even sitting was painful.
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