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  • bwink23
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    Hello Dr. Corenman, i have what i believe is a unique situation that needs your level of expertise. I had ALIF fusion at L5-S1 due to unilateral Pars Interarticularis Defect on my left side. It was diagnosed by CT Scan and showed 2mm displacement of my L5 vertebra most noticed on the flexion/extension X-rays. I also had bad L4-L5 degeneration of the disc. My surgeon said it was “greenish” in color, whatever that means…So, i had a 2-level hybrid fusion at L5-S1 and M6 ADR at L4-L5….Total discectomy at both levels…at least as much as you can do from the anterior approach. I had 3 surgeons give me the same surgical approach, so i went with it.

    Now the tricky part. I still have pain on my left side, not into the hip and legs as it once was to where i couldn’t walk at all. It seems bio-mechanical in nature. When i twist to the left, i get audible pops on my left side. It was there before surgery as well. My surgery was 1 year and 2 months ago, and it was extremely difficult to recover from, still not there. The ADR looks good, good disc and good placement. My ALIF was not standalone, it was fixated with a plate over it. I have had no prior surgeries before this one. My MRI’s have never shown spinal stenosis in my lower back.

    I hope i have been detailed enough to give a good background. THE REAL QUESTION….can i have a Pars Defect Repair in my current state, and be successful with adding additional stability, WITHOUT extra instrumentation?? My FACETS are in good shape from MRIS….Now that all signs of Degenerative Disease are gone, would i now be a candidate for Pars Defect Repair?? I am 38 years of age, don’t smoke or drink and in relatively good health otherwise.

    Dr. Corenmean, do you have experience with Pars Repair surgeries, and how have the outcomes been?

    Donald Corenman, MD, DC
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    Pars fractures in the face of a solid fusion at L5-S1 should not give you any pain. The solid fusion in the front will not allow any motion in the rear of the spine. If you did develop a pseudoarthoses (lack of fusion) at L5-S1-this could allow motion and pain.

    The other possibility if you have a solid fusion at L5-S1 is that the L4-5 level with the ADR (artificial disc replacement) is allowing motion of degenerative facets at this level.

    “When i twist to the left, i get audible pops on my left side. It was there before surgery as well”. This sounds like a bad facet associated with the L4-5 level. The way to figure this out is to get a facet block (see website) and keep a pain diary. Good temporary pain relief indicates these facets as the pain generator. You then might be a candidate for rhizotomy (see website).

    Using the rules I use for cervical artificial discs (I don’t like to implant lumbar artificial discs for the very reason you are going through this now), I do not implant ADRs in patients who have very degenerative levels. The collapse of the disc space also degenerates the facets and restoring the disc height also distracts these facets. Pain can be the result.

    Dr. Corenman

    PLEASE REMEMBER, THIS FORUM IS MEANT TO PROVIDE GENERAL INFORMATION ON SPINE ANATOMY, CONDITIONS AND TREATMENTS. TO GET AN ACCURATE DIAGNOSIS, YOU MUST VISIT A QUALIFIED PROFESSIONAL IN PERSON.
     
    Donald Corenman, MD, DC is a highly-regarded spine surgeon, considered an expert in the area of neck and back pain. Trained as both a Medical Doctor and Doctor of Chiropractic, Dr. Corenman earned academic appointments as Clinical Assistant Professor and Assistant Professor of Orthopaedic Surgery at the University of Colorado Health Sciences Center, and his research on spine surgery and rehabilitation has resulted in the publication of multiple peer-reviewed articles and two books.
    bwink23
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    I had a facet block done at L5-S1 and L4-L5 about 8 months after surgery on my left side with no pain relief. Is it possible this fracture was reopened when both levels were distracted, this causing continued pain? My pain is very localized, surely it can’t be coincidence the pain is in the area of the pars defect? Could the bones have healed without being lined up properly, which is causing pain in the area due to improper alignment along the pars interarticulis? Even if the fracture itself is not a pain generator, couldn’t it heal incorrectly and cause ligaments and or tendons to cause pain? My MRI’s never showed arthritic facets before or after surgery. It just seems too conincidental that the localized pain i have on my left side just happens to be the general location of the pars fracture. I can put one finger on my left side and put it right on the spot of chronic pain. Can’t a CT scan evaluate that fracture and access whether it’s causing anything connectedr above and below it to not function correctly? I read a previous post that you did not like anterior fusions for pars defects because you believe they should be supported from the posterior. Wouldn’t cleaning out the break and aligning it, setting it with a screw and letting it fuse restore that posterior support? Couldn’t fixing that pars defect indirectly influence the functionality of everything in the area?

    Donald Corenman, MD, DC
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    If you have a solid fusion of the disc space of L5-S1, this should prevent any motion of the fractured fragment in the rear of the spine. When you move, there should be no stress on this fragment.

    You note that the facets blocks gave you no relief. Did you pay attention to the first three hours after these blocks? Short term relief (and only short term relief in the first three hours) is the important indicator of facet pain generation (see pain diary).

    A CT scan would be helpful to determine fusion and the location of the pars fractures. Additional information is always helpful.

    I think that the problem is still probably from the artificial disc but a new CT scan would be helpful. Unfortunately, the ADR will obscure the images somewhat (from all that metal).

    Dr. Corenman

    PLEASE REMEMBER, THIS FORUM IS MEANT TO PROVIDE GENERAL INFORMATION ON SPINE ANATOMY, CONDITIONS AND TREATMENTS. TO GET AN ACCURATE DIAGNOSIS, YOU MUST VISIT A QUALIFIED PROFESSIONAL IN PERSON.
     
    Donald Corenman, MD, DC is a highly-regarded spine surgeon, considered an expert in the area of neck and back pain. Trained as both a Medical Doctor and Doctor of Chiropractic, Dr. Corenman earned academic appointments as Clinical Assistant Professor and Assistant Professor of Orthopaedic Surgery at the University of Colorado Health Sciences Center, and his research on spine surgery and rehabilitation has resulted in the publication of multiple peer-reviewed articles and two books.
    biofreeze
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    Hi. Dr. Coreman:

    I have read some of your other posts discussing the bone spur that lies beneath the pars defect and if the pars fracture and bone spur are not removed that this bones spur could still cause subsequent back/leg pain after surgery. Hence the reason for doing TLIF over ALIF.

    Couuld existing boan spur be part of the problem in this case ?

    If so, could surgeon go back in and simply remove pars fracture and bone spur ?

    Please let us know. Thank you !!

    Donald Corenman, MD, DC
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    Normally, a fusion from the front can “lift up” the disc and reduce the compression of the posterior pars bone spurs. It is still possible that compression of the L5 root is causing your pain.

    You could have a selective nerve root block (SNRB-see website) to block the L5 nerve on the side of pain. Good temporary results (see pain diary) could indicate that decompression of this nerve would give good relief.

    Dr. Corenman

    PLEASE REMEMBER, THIS FORUM IS MEANT TO PROVIDE GENERAL INFORMATION ON SPINE ANATOMY, CONDITIONS AND TREATMENTS. TO GET AN ACCURATE DIAGNOSIS, YOU MUST VISIT A QUALIFIED PROFESSIONAL IN PERSON.
     
    Donald Corenman, MD, DC is a highly-regarded spine surgeon, considered an expert in the area of neck and back pain. Trained as both a Medical Doctor and Doctor of Chiropractic, Dr. Corenman earned academic appointments as Clinical Assistant Professor and Assistant Professor of Orthopaedic Surgery at the University of Colorado Health Sciences Center, and his research on spine surgery and rehabilitation has resulted in the publication of multiple peer-reviewed articles and two books.
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