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  • Lollipop
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    AdHi Dr. Corenman,

    Quick PMH: Age 56, 5’2” 135 pounds, active and nonsmoker. L4-L5 decompression with partial discectomy 11/12. L4 pars fracture 10/13 via MRI. Osteoporosis getting second yearly Reclast infusion in June. Prior cervical laminoplasty 2/09.

    I finally followed up with my surgeon two days ago. I have continued to have left lateral/anterior thigh pain and now occurs on the right leg too. The discomfort is never both thighs at once and is not limiting my ADL’s. I have had chronic low back burning but it has gotten worse in the past month or so. It is ok when I first get up in the morning, but worsens after being up and walking around for about 4-5 minutes. After sitting a bit it usually quiets down. I try to get 10,000 steps in a day and in the past two weeks I have noticed that the burning gets much worse at about 1/4 mile and my low back just feels really fatigued at the same time. Yesterday I could only walk 1 mile (as opposed to the 2 I usually do, due to the increased intensity of burning/fatigue. I have also noticed a clicking in my low back as I move my left leg forward during my gait in the past week.

    My doctor did an x-ray and told me two things. The L4 vertebrae has slipped over L5 enough to impinge the nerve root… I believe the left is worse that the right. He wants me to see a pain management doc for a steroid injection. My ortho doc wants to see me again, two months after that OR sooner if there is any worsening of the burning/fatigue. He did mention that I may need a fusion if things don’t improve or if they get worse.

    What is your opinion about these new developments. I appreciate any feedback. Thank you so much!

    Lollipop
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    One additional question…. Would a Chiropractor be ok to realign the spine or would it not be advised?

    Donald Corenman, MD, DC
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    I am going to assume that you had preexisting fractures of the pars prior to your microdiscectomy. The slip and nerve root impingement is relatively typical for this disorder as the slip advances or reactive bone spur formation occurs.

    Since this fracture is established, you can try chiropractic but you don’t want to mobilize this segment as increased motion can lead to further nerve impingement.

    A steroid injection is a good idea to try and reduce the nerve irritation. A good rehab program with core strengthening would be helpful also.

    If symptoms continue and are not reduced with the above, a decompression and fusion should be helpful.

    Dr. Corenman

    PLEASE REMEMBER, THIS FORUM IS MEANT TO PROVIDE GENERAL INFORMATION ON SPINE ANATOMY, CONDITIONS AND TREATMENTS. TO GET AN ACCURATE DIAGNOSIS, YOU MUST VISIT A QUALIFIED PROFESSIONAL IN PERSON.
     
    Donald Corenman, MD, DC is a highly-regarded spine surgeon, considered an expert in the area of neck and back pain. Trained as both a Medical Doctor and Doctor of Chiropractic, Dr. Corenman earned academic appointments as Clinical Assistant Professor and Assistant Professor of Orthopaedic Surgery at the University of Colorado Health Sciences Center, and his research on spine surgery and rehabilitation has resulted in the publication of multiple peer-reviewed articles and two books.
    Lollipop
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    Hi,
    Touching base again… I developed the L4 pars fracture a year or so after my L4/5 decompression with partial discectomy in November 2012. I had a steroid injection in July for my left leg pain. I have been better since. Now, the right side has kicked up over the past couple of months. The low back burning was gone for a few days post injection then came back. I have no discomfort when I get up in the morning or if I sit down for awhile. After I am up and moving my low back starts to burn, and after walking about 1/2 mile a pain starts shooting in my right lateral thigh. Sometimes my right buttock has pain also. The shooting pain in my right lateral thigh also happens when standing. The shooting pain varies in frequency and intensity…Last two weeks it is getting worse. If I happen to step off a curb hard I get a horrible pain in my low back.

    I saw my surgeon today and he says a fusion would improve the pain, as it seems the nerve root is being impinged. He said the pars fracture is most likely due to my decompression/discectomy. He said the spondylolisthesis will not progress. Of course, surgery is my call. I do weight training twice weekly with concentration on my core and walk 10,000 plus steps daily.

    Would fusion surgery alleviate the low back burning/fatigue and shooting pain in thigh for good? It is a big surgery requiring 3-4 days in the hospital per my doc. I am active and want to remain so. Do you think it would be better to do this sooner than later in terms of a better outcome? Any information you share is greatly appreciated! Thank you!

    Donald Corenman, MD, DC
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    Your new right sided back and leg pain is typical for foraminal stenosis. The pain occurs with standing and walking and is relieved with sitting or bending forward (like holing onto a shopping cart). See the section on foraminal stenosis for a complete explanation.

    Foraminal stenosis is common with pars fractures. The “back burning” is the initial compression of the nerve root talking. With this initial compression, the root only refers pain to the lower back. As the root is further affected from compression, the pain will start to radiate down the leg. Sitting, crouching or leaning over a counter relieves the compression and the leg (and back) starts to feel better.

    If this is what I suspect, then fusion (with a decompression) will relieve symptoms. The more the root is compressed, the more chance of permanent damage but the risk is not high.

    Dr. Corenman

    PLEASE REMEMBER, THIS FORUM IS MEANT TO PROVIDE GENERAL INFORMATION ON SPINE ANATOMY, CONDITIONS AND TREATMENTS. TO GET AN ACCURATE DIAGNOSIS, YOU MUST VISIT A QUALIFIED PROFESSIONAL IN PERSON.
     
    Donald Corenman, MD, DC is a highly-regarded spine surgeon, considered an expert in the area of neck and back pain. Trained as both a Medical Doctor and Doctor of Chiropractic, Dr. Corenman earned academic appointments as Clinical Assistant Professor and Assistant Professor of Orthopaedic Surgery at the University of Colorado Health Sciences Center, and his research on spine surgery and rehabilitation has resulted in the publication of multiple peer-reviewed articles and two books.
    Lollipop
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    Hi Dr. Corenman,
    I had an L4-5 partial discectomy with decompression in November 2012. I did well until developing lumbar tightness/intense burning with walking along with buttock pain radiating to L lateral thigh about a year later. I had an MRI w and w/o contrast in October 2013 which showed:

    1. Laminectomy decompressing thecal sac L3 and L5 vertebral body levels with enhancement of postoperative bed and epidural enhancement extending to a portion of the right lateral recess and to a lesser extent left lateral recess L4/5 with component fibrosis. This is nonspecific, but may contribute to patient’s symptoms. No abnormal nerve root enhancement.
    2. Interval development of left L4 pars defect.

    Medrol dose pack and eventual steroid injection did help. Medrol dose pack helped for a week and injection for three days.

    I have continued to deal with the discomfort, which now includes my R thigh. I have been weight training including core strengthening for years. I am a fit 57 y.o. female and do have osteoporosis for which I have had Reclast infusion the past two summers.

    I have seen my surgeon a few times in the past two years and he has done x-rays which have shown a Grade 1 spondylolisthesis with stable spine. He suggested a fusion of L4-5 based on my symptoms, but I have been hesitant. My lumbar burning continues with intermittent pain down one or both lateral thighs and a clicking I feel in my lumbar region as I move my left leg forward as I walk any distance. My back discomfort is getting worse and my back is starting to feel fatigued/overloaded with ADL’s/cleaning/on my feet for long periods of time.

    I was not comfortable doing surgery without an up to date MRI. My surgeon ordered one last week at my request showing:

    L2-L3 There is disc space narrowing. There are discogenic changes in the adjacent endplates. There is posterior disc osteophyte complex. There are mild hypertrophic facet changes bilaterally. There is mild central canal stenosis. The neural foramina are patent.

    L3-L4 The patient is s/p posterior laminectomy. There is granulation tissue posteriorly at the laminectomy site. There are discogenic changes in the adjacent endplates. There is mild diffuse disc bulge. There are mild hypertrophic facet changes bilaterally. There is no significant central canal stenosis. There is moderate bilateral neural foraminal stenosis.

    L4-L5 The patient is s/p posterior laminectomy. There is circumferential granulation tissue within the epidural space. There is grade 1 spondylolisthesis. There is a medially projecting 3.3 mm left synovial cyst. This causes moderate impression on the subarachnoid space. There is a left lateral herniated disc. There are moderate hypertrophic facet changes bilaterally. There is severe left neural foraminal stenosis.

    L5-S1 The patient is s/p posterior laminectomy. There is no significant granulation tissue. There is disc space narrowing. There are discogenic changes in the adjacent endplates. There is posterior disc osteophyte disc complex. There is no significant central canal or neural foraminal stenosis.

    On a side note: I had to have a cervical laminoplasty C3-C6 in 2009 due to severe stenosis. I have done great since.

    My surgeon is suggesting a L3-L4 TLIF with screws and rods, cadaver bone with bone morphogenic protein.
    Your thoughts? Thanks so much!

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