Numbness & Weakness

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Len61
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November 5, 2011 at 1:45 am

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Hi Doctor.. Do you think a S1 nerve that has been compressed for nearly two years would recover if decompressed now ?

My Doctors in England say that the herniation will shrink over time…And leave it alone also because I already had a back surgery in 2005 now it’s it’s more complicated and dangerous to do another surgery in that area..

I have had little to no improvement of my numbness and weakness in left leg and foot since Dec 2009.. I now walk with a limp…

I now live in California..I did see a Nuerosurgeon here, a very aggressive man who scared the life out of me with tales of Paralasis sand Meningitis..so I wasn’t very keen on him..Your ipinion would be very much valued

Thanks

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Donald Corenman, MD, DC
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November 5, 2011 at 3:14 am

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The first question I have is what are the symptoms? Numbness, pain and weakness are the typical symptoms that can occur with nerve compression. Surgery for a compressed nerve can still yield some relief after two years but the results will not be as good as if the surgery was performed within the first six months. Also, if there is weakness present after two years, the chance of return of strength after surgery is minimal.

The limp can be caused by pain inhibition of the muscles or frank weakness. If the limp is caused by pain, surgery can possibly help to relieve pain and reduce the limp. If the weakness is the cause of the limp- do not expect surgery to help this problem.

If you have the disc herniation in the same area as the previous surgery, this is not unexpected. There is about a 10% chance of recurrent herniation in the same area. The surgeon is somewhat correct that surgery in the same area of the prior surgery is somewhat more complex but this is a surgery that is performed commonly in the USA.

Any time a spine surgery is performed, there is the small risk of complications but in the case of a recurrent disc hernation, the risk is very small. I can tell you I have never seen a case of paralysis or of meningitis with this type of surgery.

Dr. Corenman

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Donald Corenman, MD, DC is a highly-regarded spine surgeon, considered an expert in the area of neck and back pain. Trained as both a Medical Doctor and Doctor of Chiropractic, Dr. Corenman earned academic appointments as Clinical Assistant Professor and Assistant Professor of Orthopaedic Surgery at the University of Colorado Health Sciences Center, and his research on spine surgery and rehabilitation has resulted in the publication of multiple peer-reviewed articles and two books.

Len61
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November 5, 2011 at 9:09 am

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#5083

Thank you for your candid reply Doctor Corenman.

My present problem is a 16mm L5-S1 herniation ( Dec 2009 ) and although, somewhat strangely, apart from normal aches and pains I do not have any significant back pain to speak of. Just the numbness and weakness in my left foot and side of lower leg (can’t go on tip toes for more than a few seconds , squeezing sensation and nerve discomfort in foot ) my limp is minimal unless I have been walking a long distance.

Also strangely when I pass water and go to the toilet I can feel it in my foot..weird. !

My prior surgery in 2005 was at L4-5 with compression, after surgery I made a complete recovery and my right foot regained it’s strength and normal sensation.

Thank you again for your very helpful and insightful advice.

Donald Corenman, MD, DC
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November 5, 2011 at 9:58 am

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This is good news. First, the disc herniation is at a different level so there is no problem with any scar formation. Even though prior surgery at the same level is not really a problem for future surgery at the same level, this new herniation is at a different level making surgery somewhat easier.

The fact that you have no back pain is also good news. The herniation is only compressing the nerve root and the disc itself is not registering pain. The numbness and pain has a reasonable chance of being relieved with surgery.

The weakness is from the gastrocnemius- soleus group of muscles (the calf muscles). These are innervated by the S1 nerve- the one that is most likely currently compressed. This weakness most probably will not recover because of the long time period of nerve compression.

The MRI is too old to make a current surgical determination. You need a new MRI to allow the surgeon to make a reasonable decision.

Dr. Corenman

PLEASE REMEMBER, THIS FORUM IS MEANT TO PROVIDE GENERAL INFORMATION ON SPINE ANATOMY, CONDITIONS AND TREATMENTS. TO GET AN ACCURATE DIAGNOSIS, YOU MUST VISIT A QUALIFIED PROFESSIONAL IN PERSON.

Donald Corenman, MD, DC is a highly-regarded spine surgeon, considered an expert in the area of neck and back pain. Trained as both a Medical Doctor and Doctor of Chiropractic, Dr. Corenman earned academic appointments as Clinical Assistant Professor and Assistant Professor of Orthopaedic Surgery at the University of Colorado Health Sciences Center, and his research on spine surgery and rehabilitation has resulted in the publication of multiple peer-reviewed articles and two books.
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Sep 26, 2021

by Eric S on Donald Corenman, MD, DC

Successful pars repair at 46 years old

Back in November of 2018 (at 46 years old) I came from Vancouver BC to have a pars repair done with Dr. Donald Corenman at the Steadman Clinic in Vail Colorado. I'm finally posting this review nearly three years later in late 2021. The reason I waited so long was I wanted to know the final result before I posted my review. Unfortunately in that time Dr. Corenman has retired. Nevertheless, I want to post this review of Dr. Corenman and his staff at the Steadman Clinic in their excellent treatment of my L5 pars interarticularis.

I fractured my pars at age 42 back in 2014 when rolling on the gym floor, and was denied treatment by the Canadian healthcare system, probably due to my age. First my GP told me there was no surgical option for a pars defect, which was quite incorrect! I tried to live with it, but the symptoms worsened (periodic random spine slippage and weeks of resultant pain after just bending over to tie my shoe, so I eventually learned to mostly squat and hardly bend). When I finally consulted with Canadian spine surgeons, I was told they believed my pars defect had been congenital (since birth). This was absurd, considering I had done extreme martial arts (including jiu jitsu) for years prior, as well as 5 years of reinforcing steel full time in my 20s, probably the hardest job on the back you can find. No pars defect like mine would possibly have allowed this--ergo it was impossible that I had had the defect since birth. I did however have an asymptomatic congenital spina bifida occulta that made me more susceptible to a pars fracture. In 2014 in one instant, I went from having the strongest back people I knew said they'd ever seen, to being unable to safely bend over and tie my shoe without a non-negligible risk of my spine slipping randomly (which would lead to weeks of pain after each occurrence). This was due to the unilateral L5 pars defect, otherwise known as spondylolysis. It was when lying in pain on the floor 4 years later after maybe the 6th spine slippage event post injury, that I had had enough, and resolved to have surgery. If Canada's "universal health care" said no, I would make lemonade from lemons, and find the very best surgeon in the world at pars repairs. That was Dr. Donald Corenman. Dr. Corenman back in 2018 ran a website https://neckandback.com/ that dedicated many pages to the science of every aspect of pars repairs, from eligibility (good discs on MRI), to best surgical techniques (minimal open compared to minimally invasive), best imaging to use (i.e., O-Arm with Stealth imaging vs. older fluoroscopy), the ideal amount of BMP to use and why not use too much or too little, and much more, all to do with pars repairs, pages upon pages of his site just on the pars, with scientific references and his own extensive expert opinion. As a health research statistician, I was very impressed with this. It was in stark contrast to the websites of other spine surgeons which barely gave the pars a word or two, focusing almost exclusively on fusions. I had found the best surgeon in the world for pars repairs, and so after Dr. Corenman personally screened my MRI to ensure my discs were healthy, I booked the surgery.

Being 46 years old at the time of surgery in 2018, with a 4-year-old pars fracture from 2014 combined with a congenital SBO meant my pars fragment was somewhat atrophied, but it was "very solid", said Dr. Corenman in the operative report. Nevertheless, it was challenging with two things to fix, the pars and SBO, and OR time was around 4 hours. Recovery over the following months was guided by a very clear "Spine binder" from the Steadman Clinic with strict rules of "no BLT" (no bending, lifting or twisting), and illustrated physiotherapy guidelines. They even warned patients to avoid fish oil supplements, which could excessively dampen inflammation and hence slow bone healing. They answered many questions I had during months of recovery, with responses coming from the very supportive Lori Fugate (then director of Dr. Corenman's practice), and Ehrich Bean (then physician's assistant at the practice), as well as a couple calls with Dr. Corenman himself after two of the CT scans. Ehrich Bean offered great advice for taking the spine binder conservatively due to the nature of pars repairs vs. fusions. The final post-op CT scan I had was a couple weeks ago at 34 months post-op, and Dr. Corenman had retired, but I got a very positive and informative call from Eric Strauch (current PA at the Steadman Clinic under Dr. Corenman's replacement there, and who had also worked with Dr. Corenman previously). The staff at the Steadman Clinic were extremely supportive all the way through the process. I should mention, the local Canadian spine surgeon did offer me very good post-operative support including antibiotics as needed to deal with a mild surface incision-site infection early on, booking numerous x-rays when I felt something was amiss, as well as booking all four of my post-op CT scans. I am very grateful for that support also.

My final result shows plenty of solid bone across the pars and a healed SBO, with my vertebral body now a solid bone ring instead of being broken at two places as it was pre-op. Does my spine hold up in the real world? You bet! I have recently dug and moved several yards of dirt and sand and gravel by myself (shovel and wheelbarrow!) to fix our water main, pulled roots from the yard, moved several "portable" (these are HUGE) air conditioners up several flights of stairs my myself, and lifted weights. I now run 2 miles (3.2 KM) several times weekly with a hard 100 meter dash in the middle. I bend deeply before each run I go on, with no spine slippage. My spine feels amazing. I can bend over to do exercise, or real word tasks, with no risk of spine slippage.

My sincere thanks to God, Dr. Donald Corenman, Lori Fugate, Ehrich Bean, Eric Strauch, and the Steadman Clinic, as well as the Canadian spine surgeon who offered me excellent post-operative care back in Canada. You have all given me a new lease on life.

Sincerely,
Eric S

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I had my entire lumbar spine fused in November of 2018. I had scoliosis , with pinched nerves that were so painful I could hardly walk - and standing for more than a few minutes was impossible. Even sitting was painful.
The fusion surgery produced immediate relief! And the recovery was much easier than I expected.
To this day I can do all the activities I love from hiking, to standing in a stream fly fishing to riding my bike long distances - or just walking down the street with my wife.
Kudos to Dr. Corenman and his staff, (including the two Erics) for taking such good care of me!

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I had my TLIF surgery on 6/24/2020 by Dr. Corenman, I can not say enough good things about the Dr or his staff. I was always treated with respect and explained everything throughly, that made it easy for everyone to understand. I highly recommend Dr. Corenman and the Steadman Clinic.

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