MRI of thoracic spine

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cindy2836
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May 8, 2020 at 5:33 am

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Hello Doctor!
At this time I have had 4 spine surgeries in the last 7 years. Starting at age 59. I have fusions at S1-T10 and C3-C7 with a diagnose of DDD and spinal stenosis.
My problem is the pain I have in my mid back. I noticed it within the first nine months after the S1-T10 fusion. The pain would radiate around front at my lower rib cage (mostly the right side). Now it also radiates into my abdomen. Pain level can be a 9 or 10! When I reported this to the surgeon he quickly said I went back to work too soon but my thought is he signed my return to work slip. He also said this thoracic pain is not fixable by surgery. A second opinion yielded the same and I was told to see a pain management doctor. Which I am currently in the process of seeking a radio frequency nerve ablation in the thoracic.
My question to you is with this year old MRI results, still in pain tells me the disc herniations did not heal themselves.
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1. Degenerative marrow changes with associated edema anteriorly at the T8-9 level.
2. 2 small central disc protrusions are present. These are at the T7-8 and T9-10 levels.
3. There is no evidence of spinal canal or foraminal stenosis at any level.
Can you shed some light on this for me?? Thank you! Cindy

Donald Corenman, MD, DC
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May 8, 2020 at 7:12 pm

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My first thought would be a degenerative hyperkyphosis and a structural malalignment. A lateral scoliogram would help to rule that out.

Dr. Corenman

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Donald Corenman, MD, DC is a highly-regarded spine surgeon, considered an expert in the area of neck and back pain. Trained as both a Medical Doctor and Doctor of Chiropractic, Dr. Corenman earned academic appointments as Clinical Assistant Professor and Assistant Professor of Orthopaedic Surgery at the University of Colorado Health Sciences Center, and his research on spine surgery and rehabilitation has resulted in the publication of multiple peer-reviewed articles and two books.

cindy2836
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May 9, 2020 at 2:21 am

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#32518

Thank you doctor! Now to figure out how to get a doctor close to where I live to look for that. Or make a trip to see you!!

cindy2836
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May 9, 2020 at 2:30 pm

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#32519

Hello again Doctor! I would like to paste below the MRI results of my Dec 2019 that led to my ACDF Jan 2020 as your mentioned something about the curvature of my spine. My question is if you often see where a cervical curve could also be part of a thoracic curve?
There is stable reversal of the normal cervical lordosis. There is stepwise anterolisthesis of C3 on C4 and C4 on C5. There is slight retrolisthesis of C5 on C6 and C6 on C7. There are degenerative marrow changes in the endplates at the C5-6 and C6-7
levels. No suspicious osseous lesions are present. The facet joints are normally aligned.

The cervical spinal cord is of normal caliber and signal intensity. The visualized aspects of the posterior fossa are normal.

On the axial images, at C2-C3, there are right-sided facet degenerative changes. There is no spinal canal stenosis. There is moderate severity right foraminal stenosis.

At C3-C4, there is a posterior discussed effect complex. There are bilateral facet degenerative changes. There is mild spinal canal stenosis. There is severe left and moderate severity right foraminal stenosis.

At C4-C5, there are right-sided facet and uncovertebral joint degenerative changes. There is mild spinal canal stenosis. There is severe right foraminal stenosis.

At C5-C6, there is a posterior disc osteophyte complex. There are bilateral uncovertebral joint and facet degenerative changes. There is moderate severity spinal canal and bilateral foraminal stenosis.

At C6-C7, there is moderate severity spinal canal stenosis. There are mild bilateral uncovertebral joint degenerative changes. There is moderate severity bilateral foraminal stenosis.

At C7-T1, there is no spinal canal or foraminal stenosis.

There are no suspicious findings in the cervical soft tissues

Donald Corenman, MD, DC
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May 9, 2020 at 4:05 pm

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The cervical MRI can be helpful in some cases but unfortunately not in yours. You need a lateral (sagittal) Scoliogram to rule out a sagittal plane deformity.

Dr. Corenman

PLEASE REMEMBER, THIS FORUM IS MEANT TO PROVIDE GENERAL INFORMATION ON SPINE ANATOMY, CONDITIONS AND TREATMENTS. TO GET AN ACCURATE DIAGNOSIS, YOU MUST VISIT A QUALIFIED PROFESSIONAL IN PERSON.

Donald Corenman, MD, DC is a highly-regarded spine surgeon, considered an expert in the area of neck and back pain. Trained as both a Medical Doctor and Doctor of Chiropractic, Dr. Corenman earned academic appointments as Clinical Assistant Professor and Assistant Professor of Orthopaedic Surgery at the University of Colorado Health Sciences Center, and his research on spine surgery and rehabilitation has resulted in the publication of multiple peer-reviewed articles and two books.

Donald Corenman, MD, DC
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May 9, 2020 at 4:05 pm

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#32521

The cervical MRI can be helpful in some cases but unfortunately not in yours. You need a lateral (sagittal) Scoliogram to rule out a sagittal plane deformity.

Dr. Corenman

PLEASE REMEMBER, THIS FORUM IS MEANT TO PROVIDE GENERAL INFORMATION ON SPINE ANATOMY, CONDITIONS AND TREATMENTS. TO GET AN ACCURATE DIAGNOSIS, YOU MUST VISIT A QUALIFIED PROFESSIONAL IN PERSON.

Donald Corenman, MD, DC is a highly-regarded spine surgeon, considered an expert in the area of neck and back pain. Trained as both a Medical Doctor and Doctor of Chiropractic, Dr. Corenman earned academic appointments as Clinical Assistant Professor and Assistant Professor of Orthopaedic Surgery at the University of Colorado Health Sciences Center, and his research on spine surgery and rehabilitation has resulted in the publication of multiple peer-reviewed articles and two books.
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Eric S

Sep 26, 2021

by Eric S on Donald Corenman, MD, DC

Successful pars repair at 46 years old

Back in November of 2018 (at 46 years old) I came from Vancouver BC to have a pars repair done with Dr. Donald Corenman at the Steadman Clinic in Vail Colorado. I'm finally posting this review nearly three years later in late 2021. The reason I waited so long was I wanted to know the final result before I posted my review. Unfortunately in that time Dr. Corenman has retired. Nevertheless, I want to post this review of Dr. Corenman and his staff at the Steadman Clinic in their excellent treatment of my L5 pars interarticularis.

I fractured my pars at age 42 back in 2014 when rolling on the gym floor, and was denied treatment by the Canadian healthcare system, probably due to my age. First my GP told me there was no surgical option for a pars defect, which was quite incorrect! I tried to live with it, but the symptoms worsened (periodic random spine slippage and weeks of resultant pain after just bending over to tie my shoe, so I eventually learned to mostly squat and hardly bend). When I finally consulted with Canadian spine surgeons, I was told they believed my pars defect had been congenital (since birth). This was absurd, considering I had done extreme martial arts (including jiu jitsu) for years prior, as well as 5 years of reinforcing steel full time in my 20s, probably the hardest job on the back you can find. No pars defect like mine would possibly have allowed this--ergo it was impossible that I had had the defect since birth. I did however have an asymptomatic congenital spina bifida occulta that made me more susceptible to a pars fracture. In 2014 in one instant, I went from having the strongest back people I knew said they'd ever seen, to being unable to safely bend over and tie my shoe without a non-negligible risk of my spine slipping randomly (which would lead to weeks of pain after each occurrence). This was due to the unilateral L5 pars defect, otherwise known as spondylolysis. It was when lying in pain on the floor 4 years later after maybe the 6th spine slippage event post injury, that I had had enough, and resolved to have surgery. If Canada's "universal health care" said no, I would make lemonade from lemons, and find the very best surgeon in the world at pars repairs. That was Dr. Donald Corenman. Dr. Corenman back in 2018 ran a website https://neckandback.com/ that dedicated many pages to the science of every aspect of pars repairs, from eligibility (good discs on MRI), to best surgical techniques (minimal open compared to minimally invasive), best imaging to use (i.e., O-Arm with Stealth imaging vs. older fluoroscopy), the ideal amount of BMP to use and why not use too much or too little, and much more, all to do with pars repairs, pages upon pages of his site just on the pars, with scientific references and his own extensive expert opinion. As a health research statistician, I was very impressed with this. It was in stark contrast to the websites of other spine surgeons which barely gave the pars a word or two, focusing almost exclusively on fusions. I had found the best surgeon in the world for pars repairs, and so after Dr. Corenman personally screened my MRI to ensure my discs were healthy, I booked the surgery.

Being 46 years old at the time of surgery in 2018, with a 4-year-old pars fracture from 2014 combined with a congenital SBO meant my pars fragment was somewhat atrophied, but it was "very solid", said Dr. Corenman in the operative report. Nevertheless, it was challenging with two things to fix, the pars and SBO, and OR time was around 4 hours. Recovery over the following months was guided by a very clear "Spine binder" from the Steadman Clinic with strict rules of "no BLT" (no bending, lifting or twisting), and illustrated physiotherapy guidelines. They even warned patients to avoid fish oil supplements, which could excessively dampen inflammation and hence slow bone healing. They answered many questions I had during months of recovery, with responses coming from the very supportive Lori Fugate (then director of Dr. Corenman's practice), and Ehrich Bean (then physician's assistant at the practice), as well as a couple calls with Dr. Corenman himself after two of the CT scans. Ehrich Bean offered great advice for taking the spine binder conservatively due to the nature of pars repairs vs. fusions. The final post-op CT scan I had was a couple weeks ago at 34 months post-op, and Dr. Corenman had retired, but I got a very positive and informative call from Eric Strauch (current PA at the Steadman Clinic under Dr. Corenman's replacement there, and who had also worked with Dr. Corenman previously). The staff at the Steadman Clinic were extremely supportive all the way through the process. I should mention, the local Canadian spine surgeon did offer me very good post-operative support including antibiotics as needed to deal with a mild surface incision-site infection early on, booking numerous x-rays when I felt something was amiss, as well as booking all four of my post-op CT scans. I am very grateful for that support also.

My final result shows plenty of solid bone across the pars and a healed SBO, with my vertebral body now a solid bone ring instead of being broken at two places as it was pre-op. Does my spine hold up in the real world? You bet! I have recently dug and moved several yards of dirt and sand and gravel by myself (shovel and wheelbarrow!) to fix our water main, pulled roots from the yard, moved several "portable" (these are HUGE) air conditioners up several flights of stairs my myself, and lifted weights. I now run 2 miles (3.2 KM) several times weekly with a hard 100 meter dash in the middle. I bend deeply before each run I go on, with no spine slippage. My spine feels amazing. I can bend over to do exercise, or real word tasks, with no risk of spine slippage.

My sincere thanks to God, Dr. Donald Corenman, Lori Fugate, Ehrich Bean, Eric Strauch, and the Steadman Clinic, as well as the Canadian spine surgeon who offered me excellent post-operative care back in Canada. You have all given me a new lease on life.

Sincerely,
Eric S

Robert S

May 11, 2021

by Robert S on Donald Corenman, MD, DC

Back Fusion Surgery

I had my entire lumbar spine fused in November of 2018. I had scoliosis , with pinched nerves that were so painful I could hardly walk - and standing for more than a few minutes was impossible. Even sitting was painful.
The fusion surgery produced immediate relief! And the recovery was much easier than I expected.
To this day I can do all the activities I love from hiking, to standing in a stream fly fishing to riding my bike long distances - or just walking down the street with my wife.
Kudos to Dr. Corenman and his staff, (including the two Erics) for taking such good care of me!

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by Leslie R on Donald Corenman, MD, DC

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I had my TLIF surgery on 6/24/2020 by Dr. Corenman, I can not say enough good things about the Dr or his staff. I was always treated with respect and explained everything throughly, that made it easy for everyone to understand. I highly recommend Dr. Corenman and the Steadman Clinic.

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