L5-S1 discectomy 7 weeks post op

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kcarpenter
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August 18, 2020 at 5:00 pm

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Good evening Dr. Corenman! I went approximately 4 months with a broad based central herniation at L5-S1. I tried all conservative measures until I couldn’t tolerate the symptoms anymore. Prior to surgery I had extreme debilitating sciatic pain on the right side with weakness in my calf and foot. I was unable to do more than 2 heel raises. I had pain with any position that nothing relieved I opted to proceed with open discectomy. After surgery I did not feel the intense pain down my leg. Just mainly the surgical site pain. I was on Gabapentin 300 mg twice a day for two weeks and tapered off. About week 2-3 I noticed slight sciatic pain in glute and upper hamstring if my posture is not proper. I’m unsure if I just didn’t notice this right after surgery because I didn’t have full ROM yet and/or the Gabapentin was masking the symptoms. For instance if I slouch any little bit or sometimes look up at the sky etc I can feel a twinge. Its not getting worse but not getting better. I am now 7 weeks post op and two days ago started having tingling sensations down my entire right leg, thigh, calf and foot. I called my surgeon and have a follow up next week but I am certainly concerned about reherniation as NSAIDS and medrol dose pack do not seem to be alleviating the symptoms. Is this just a normal process of nerve healing?

kcarpenter
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August 18, 2020 at 5:58 pm

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#32848

I should add also that before surgery sneezing, coughing and even bearing down to have a BM caused significant pain. Post op I am able to do all of this pain free so far

Donald Corenman, MD, DC
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August 19, 2020 at 8:33 pm

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You note “4 months with a broad based central herniation at L5-S1” and “weakness in my calf and foot. I was unable to do more than 2 heel raises”. This worries me as motor weakness due to prolonged compression might not fully recover after decompression.

The fact that a medrol dose pack did not seem to be alleviating the symptoms is somewhat concerning. With symptoms somewhat progressing 7 weeks out from the surgery, I think that an MRI would be a good idea.

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kcarpenter
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October 14, 2020 at 8:57 am

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Good Morning again Dr. Corenman. Sorry for the delayed response. I am now 3.5 months post op and I am still having intermittent feelings of “numbness”, pins and needles in my right leg and foot. It feels as if my leg/foot is asleep and trying to wake up so to speak. It feels numb but I can feel any type of touch along my skin. These symptoms seem to dissipate during the night but as the day goes on returns in a waxing and waning fashion. I have very mild glute pain with certain movements that cause nerve tension. I have since follow up with my neurosurgeon and had an MRI a month ago which read as the following
“Status post right hemilaminectomy at L5-S1. There is bandlike enhancement in the laminectomy defect and in the right lateral recess with encasement of the S1 nerve root. Findings are concerning for fibrosis. Disc bulging with a superimposed left paracentral disc protrusion/extrusion otherwise contributes to mild bilateral foraminal narrowing and mild narrowing of the left later recess at this level”
I have been put back on neurontin 300mg TID for symptom relief and am supposed to follow back up in 2 months. My symptoms have not been touched at all by this and I really do not want to keep taking more meds if it can be avoided. Do you have any other suggestion?

Donald Corenman, MD, DC
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October 15, 2020 at 7:08 am

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You might have scar formation (epidural fibrosis) that is constricting the nerve. It is a good sign that your symptoms abate when you rest but increase when you are up and around as that can occasionally indicate continued mechanical irritation. I would say the next step is to consider an epidural steroid injection (TFESI).

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PLEASE REMEMBER, THIS FORUM IS MEANT TO PROVIDE GENERAL INFORMATION ON SPINE ANATOMY, CONDITIONS AND TREATMENTS. TO GET AN ACCURATE DIAGNOSIS, YOU MUST VISIT A QUALIFIED PROFESSIONAL IN PERSON.

Donald Corenman, MD, DC is a highly-regarded spine surgeon, considered an expert in the area of neck and back pain. Trained as both a Medical Doctor and Doctor of Chiropractic, Dr. Corenman earned academic appointments as Clinical Assistant Professor and Assistant Professor of Orthopaedic Surgery at the University of Colorado Health Sciences Center, and his research on spine surgery and rehabilitation has resulted in the publication of multiple peer-reviewed articles and two books.
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Eric S

Sep 26, 2021

by Eric S on Donald Corenman, MD, DC

Successful pars repair at 46 years old

Back in November of 2018 (at 46 years old) I came from Vancouver BC to have a pars repair done with Dr. Donald Corenman at the Steadman Clinic in Vail Colorado. I'm finally posting this review nearly three years later in late 2021. The reason I waited so long was I wanted to know the final result before I posted my review. Unfortunately in that time Dr. Corenman has retired. Nevertheless, I want to post this review of Dr. Corenman and his staff at the Steadman Clinic in their excellent treatment of my L5 pars interarticularis.

I fractured my pars at age 42 back in 2014 when rolling on the gym floor, and was denied treatment by the Canadian healthcare system, probably due to my age. First my GP told me there was no surgical option for a pars defect, which was quite incorrect! I tried to live with it, but the symptoms worsened (periodic random spine slippage and weeks of resultant pain after just bending over to tie my shoe, so I eventually learned to mostly squat and hardly bend). When I finally consulted with Canadian spine surgeons, I was told they believed my pars defect had been congenital (since birth). This was absurd, considering I had done extreme martial arts (including jiu jitsu) for years prior, as well as 5 years of reinforcing steel full time in my 20s, probably the hardest job on the back you can find. No pars defect like mine would possibly have allowed this--ergo it was impossible that I had had the defect since birth. I did however have an asymptomatic congenital spina bifida occulta that made me more susceptible to a pars fracture. In 2014 in one instant, I went from having the strongest back people I knew said they'd ever seen, to being unable to safely bend over and tie my shoe without a non-negligible risk of my spine slipping randomly (which would lead to weeks of pain after each occurrence). This was due to the unilateral L5 pars defect, otherwise known as spondylolysis. It was when lying in pain on the floor 4 years later after maybe the 6th spine slippage event post injury, that I had had enough, and resolved to have surgery. If Canada's "universal health care" said no, I would make lemonade from lemons, and find the very best surgeon in the world at pars repairs. That was Dr. Donald Corenman. Dr. Corenman back in 2018 ran a website https://neckandback.com/ that dedicated many pages to the science of every aspect of pars repairs, from eligibility (good discs on MRI), to best surgical techniques (minimal open compared to minimally invasive), best imaging to use (i.e., O-Arm with Stealth imaging vs. older fluoroscopy), the ideal amount of BMP to use and why not use too much or too little, and much more, all to do with pars repairs, pages upon pages of his site just on the pars, with scientific references and his own extensive expert opinion. As a health research statistician, I was very impressed with this. It was in stark contrast to the websites of other spine surgeons which barely gave the pars a word or two, focusing almost exclusively on fusions. I had found the best surgeon in the world for pars repairs, and so after Dr. Corenman personally screened my MRI to ensure my discs were healthy, I booked the surgery.

Being 46 years old at the time of surgery in 2018, with a 4-year-old pars fracture from 2014 combined with a congenital SBO meant my pars fragment was somewhat atrophied, but it was "very solid", said Dr. Corenman in the operative report. Nevertheless, it was challenging with two things to fix, the pars and SBO, and OR time was around 4 hours. Recovery over the following months was guided by a very clear "Spine binder" from the Steadman Clinic with strict rules of "no BLT" (no bending, lifting or twisting), and illustrated physiotherapy guidelines. They even warned patients to avoid fish oil supplements, which could excessively dampen inflammation and hence slow bone healing. They answered many questions I had during months of recovery, with responses coming from the very supportive Lori Fugate (then director of Dr. Corenman's practice), and Ehrich Bean (then physician's assistant at the practice), as well as a couple calls with Dr. Corenman himself after two of the CT scans. Ehrich Bean offered great advice for taking the spine binder conservatively due to the nature of pars repairs vs. fusions. The final post-op CT scan I had was a couple weeks ago at 34 months post-op, and Dr. Corenman had retired, but I got a very positive and informative call from Eric Strauch (current PA at the Steadman Clinic under Dr. Corenman's replacement there, and who had also worked with Dr. Corenman previously). The staff at the Steadman Clinic were extremely supportive all the way through the process. I should mention, the local Canadian spine surgeon did offer me very good post-operative support including antibiotics as needed to deal with a mild surface incision-site infection early on, booking numerous x-rays when I felt something was amiss, as well as booking all four of my post-op CT scans. I am very grateful for that support also.

My final result shows plenty of solid bone across the pars and a healed SBO, with my vertebral body now a solid bone ring instead of being broken at two places as it was pre-op. Does my spine hold up in the real world? You bet! I have recently dug and moved several yards of dirt and sand and gravel by myself (shovel and wheelbarrow!) to fix our water main, pulled roots from the yard, moved several "portable" (these are HUGE) air conditioners up several flights of stairs my myself, and lifted weights. I now run 2 miles (3.2 KM) several times weekly with a hard 100 meter dash in the middle. I bend deeply before each run I go on, with no spine slippage. My spine feels amazing. I can bend over to do exercise, or real word tasks, with no risk of spine slippage.

My sincere thanks to God, Dr. Donald Corenman, Lori Fugate, Ehrich Bean, Eric Strauch, and the Steadman Clinic, as well as the Canadian spine surgeon who offered me excellent post-operative care back in Canada. You have all given me a new lease on life.

Sincerely,
Eric S

Robert S

May 11, 2021

by Robert S on Donald Corenman, MD, DC

Back Fusion Surgery

I had my entire lumbar spine fused in November of 2018. I had scoliosis , with pinched nerves that were so painful I could hardly walk - and standing for more than a few minutes was impossible. Even sitting was painful.
The fusion surgery produced immediate relief! And the recovery was much easier than I expected.
To this day I can do all the activities I love from hiking, to standing in a stream fly fishing to riding my bike long distances - or just walking down the street with my wife.
Kudos to Dr. Corenman and his staff, (including the two Erics) for taking such good care of me!

Leslie R

Jul 9, 2020

by Leslie R on Donald Corenman, MD, DC

TLIF

I had my TLIF surgery on 6/24/2020 by Dr. Corenman, I can not say enough good things about the Dr or his staff. I was always treated with respect and explained everything throughly, that made it easy for everyone to understand. I highly recommend Dr. Corenman and the Steadman Clinic.

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