L5-S1 degenerative disc disease with posterior midline disc protrusion

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emckenzie
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April 19, 2012 at 6:32 am

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#6033

Hello.
I had a MRI done last week and the results that the radiologist came back with stated: “L5-S1 degenerative disc disease with posterior midline disc protrusion(without significant central canalicular stenosis and/or foraminal stenosis.) I also obtained an interactive copy of the MRI.
I stumbled upon your website and found it to be very informative. I’m gathering as much info and anecdotal evidence so I can find the right doctor and procedure for me. I am hoping to avoid surgery but will do what it takes for a full and lasting recovery.
Thanks for your time,
–Eric ([email protected])

Donald Corenman, MD, DC
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April 19, 2012 at 9:00 pm

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First- what are your symptoms? Degenerative discs can cause incapacitating symptoms or no symptoms at all. Back pain/ leg pain/ time of day/ association with activity?????

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emckenzie
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April 20, 2012 at 7:19 am

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#6046

Thanks for the quick response.
I have low back pain always, 4 of 10, and it gets worse if I am in any fixed pose(sitting, standing) for even minutes it starts to get worse, 7 of 10. Laying down is the most comfortable for me but I still toss and turn all night.
After the 2nd session with a chiropractor I started getting knee pain, 4 of 10, which brought about the MRI. Most of the knee pain went away after a couple weeks of no chiropractor. Time of day and leg pain are not factors and activity doesn’t cause anymore pain. I play racquetball, disc golf and volleyball regularly. I stopped lifting weights and doing pushups as both of those did cause more pain.
Thanks again,
–Eric

Donald Corenman, MD, DC
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April 20, 2012 at 12:17 pm

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#6048

So generally the pain is static in regards to activity except lifting weights and pushups exacerbates the pain and lying down relieves the pain somewhat. You have a degenerative disc at L5-S1 with a central posterior disc herniation or “bulge”. You can continue to participate in most recreational activities with some moderate pain that is tolerable.

I will assume that you have gone through a good Pilates physical therapy program and ergonomics education. The next step if that is the case is a series of epidural steroid injections to reduce the sensitivity of the nociceptors and medications like NSAIDs or membrane stabilizers to reduce inflammation or nerve transmission.

Because weights and pushups cause pain, your pain may be from facet syndrome. A consideration of facet blocks might be indicated (see website).

Dr. Corenman

PLEASE REMEMBER, THIS FORUM IS MEANT TO PROVIDE GENERAL INFORMATION ON SPINE ANATOMY, CONDITIONS AND TREATMENTS. TO GET AN ACCURATE DIAGNOSIS, YOU MUST VISIT A QUALIFIED PROFESSIONAL IN PERSON.

Donald Corenman, MD, DC is a highly-regarded spine surgeon, considered an expert in the area of neck and back pain. Trained as both a Medical Doctor and Doctor of Chiropractic, Dr. Corenman earned academic appointments as Clinical Assistant Professor and Assistant Professor of Orthopaedic Surgery at the University of Colorado Health Sciences Center, and his research on spine surgery and rehabilitation has resulted in the publication of multiple peer-reviewed articles and two books.

emckenzie
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April 27, 2012 at 2:38 am

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#6129

Hello again,
I did go through a physical therapy program that involved stretching but not pilates and I continue to stretch daily. I am willing to give pilates a try. Do you have any pilates videos that you recommend or reading that you suggest? I was explained the basics of ergonomics and have done some research myself but I am always willing to learn if you have any ergonomics education that you can point me to. What are your thoughts on spinal decompression in relation to DDD?
Thanks for your time.
–Eric

Donald Corenman, MD, DC
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April 27, 2012 at 7:08 pm

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A therapy program should consist of strengthening the support muscles, conditioning these muscles to work for long periods (maintaining strength over a prolonged period) and stretching the supporting contracted ligaments and capsules. Ergonomics is the understanding of lifting mechanics and the trained avoidance of bad positioning that would put your back in jeopardy.

The “spinal decompression” machine is simply a traction machine. It does not put anything “back into place”. I have no specific objection to these spinal decompression machines like the DMX 9000 except the “sales programs” associated with them. You do not need more than two “treatments” to find if they are effective for you personally. I personally think these machines are not that effective.

I have not as of yet placed significant time into a published rehabilitation program except in my books but I do have some videos that cover some of the basics of biomechanics. Look under the header: videos- television interviews and you will find some good information there.

Dr. Corenman

PLEASE REMEMBER, THIS FORUM IS MEANT TO PROVIDE GENERAL INFORMATION ON SPINE ANATOMY, CONDITIONS AND TREATMENTS. TO GET AN ACCURATE DIAGNOSIS, YOU MUST VISIT A QUALIFIED PROFESSIONAL IN PERSON.

Donald Corenman, MD, DC is a highly-regarded spine surgeon, considered an expert in the area of neck and back pain. Trained as both a Medical Doctor and Doctor of Chiropractic, Dr. Corenman earned academic appointments as Clinical Assistant Professor and Assistant Professor of Orthopaedic Surgery at the University of Colorado Health Sciences Center, and his research on spine surgery and rehabilitation has resulted in the publication of multiple peer-reviewed articles and two books.
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Eric S

Sep 26, 2021

by Eric S on Donald Corenman, MD, DC

Successful pars repair at 46 years old

Back in November of 2018 (at 46 years old) I came from Vancouver BC to have a pars repair done with Dr. Donald Corenman at the Steadman Clinic in Vail Colorado. I'm finally posting this review nearly three years later in late 2021. The reason I waited so long was I wanted to know the final result before I posted my review. Unfortunately in that time Dr. Corenman has retired. Nevertheless, I want to post this review of Dr. Corenman and his staff at the Steadman Clinic in their excellent treatment of my L5 pars interarticularis.

I fractured my pars at age 42 back in 2014 when rolling on the gym floor, and was denied treatment by the Canadian healthcare system, probably due to my age. First my GP told me there was no surgical option for a pars defect, which was quite incorrect! I tried to live with it, but the symptoms worsened (periodic random spine slippage and weeks of resultant pain after just bending over to tie my shoe, so I eventually learned to mostly squat and hardly bend). When I finally consulted with Canadian spine surgeons, I was told they believed my pars defect had been congenital (since birth). This was absurd, considering I had done extreme martial arts (including jiu jitsu) for years prior, as well as 5 years of reinforcing steel full time in my 20s, probably the hardest job on the back you can find. No pars defect like mine would possibly have allowed this--ergo it was impossible that I had had the defect since birth. I did however have an asymptomatic congenital spina bifida occulta that made me more susceptible to a pars fracture. In 2014 in one instant, I went from having the strongest back people I knew said they'd ever seen, to being unable to safely bend over and tie my shoe without a non-negligible risk of my spine slipping randomly (which would lead to weeks of pain after each occurrence). This was due to the unilateral L5 pars defect, otherwise known as spondylolysis. It was when lying in pain on the floor 4 years later after maybe the 6th spine slippage event post injury, that I had had enough, and resolved to have surgery. If Canada's "universal health care" said no, I would make lemonade from lemons, and find the very best surgeon in the world at pars repairs. That was Dr. Donald Corenman. Dr. Corenman back in 2018 ran a website https://neckandback.com/ that dedicated many pages to the science of every aspect of pars repairs, from eligibility (good discs on MRI), to best surgical techniques (minimal open compared to minimally invasive), best imaging to use (i.e., O-Arm with Stealth imaging vs. older fluoroscopy), the ideal amount of BMP to use and why not use too much or too little, and much more, all to do with pars repairs, pages upon pages of his site just on the pars, with scientific references and his own extensive expert opinion. As a health research statistician, I was very impressed with this. It was in stark contrast to the websites of other spine surgeons which barely gave the pars a word or two, focusing almost exclusively on fusions. I had found the best surgeon in the world for pars repairs, and so after Dr. Corenman personally screened my MRI to ensure my discs were healthy, I booked the surgery.

Being 46 years old at the time of surgery in 2018, with a 4-year-old pars fracture from 2014 combined with a congenital SBO meant my pars fragment was somewhat atrophied, but it was "very solid", said Dr. Corenman in the operative report. Nevertheless, it was challenging with two things to fix, the pars and SBO, and OR time was around 4 hours. Recovery over the following months was guided by a very clear "Spine binder" from the Steadman Clinic with strict rules of "no BLT" (no bending, lifting or twisting), and illustrated physiotherapy guidelines. They even warned patients to avoid fish oil supplements, which could excessively dampen inflammation and hence slow bone healing. They answered many questions I had during months of recovery, with responses coming from the very supportive Lori Fugate (then director of Dr. Corenman's practice), and Ehrich Bean (then physician's assistant at the practice), as well as a couple calls with Dr. Corenman himself after two of the CT scans. Ehrich Bean offered great advice for taking the spine binder conservatively due to the nature of pars repairs vs. fusions. The final post-op CT scan I had was a couple weeks ago at 34 months post-op, and Dr. Corenman had retired, but I got a very positive and informative call from Eric Strauch (current PA at the Steadman Clinic under Dr. Corenman's replacement there, and who had also worked with Dr. Corenman previously). The staff at the Steadman Clinic were extremely supportive all the way through the process. I should mention, the local Canadian spine surgeon did offer me very good post-operative support including antibiotics as needed to deal with a mild surface incision-site infection early on, booking numerous x-rays when I felt something was amiss, as well as booking all four of my post-op CT scans. I am very grateful for that support also.

My final result shows plenty of solid bone across the pars and a healed SBO, with my vertebral body now a solid bone ring instead of being broken at two places as it was pre-op. Does my spine hold up in the real world? You bet! I have recently dug and moved several yards of dirt and sand and gravel by myself (shovel and wheelbarrow!) to fix our water main, pulled roots from the yard, moved several "portable" (these are HUGE) air conditioners up several flights of stairs my myself, and lifted weights. I now run 2 miles (3.2 KM) several times weekly with a hard 100 meter dash in the middle. I bend deeply before each run I go on, with no spine slippage. My spine feels amazing. I can bend over to do exercise, or real word tasks, with no risk of spine slippage.

My sincere thanks to God, Dr. Donald Corenman, Lori Fugate, Ehrich Bean, Eric Strauch, and the Steadman Clinic, as well as the Canadian spine surgeon who offered me excellent post-operative care back in Canada. You have all given me a new lease on life.

Sincerely,
Eric S

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May 11, 2021

by Robert S on Donald Corenman, MD, DC

Back Fusion Surgery

I had my entire lumbar spine fused in November of 2018. I had scoliosis , with pinched nerves that were so painful I could hardly walk - and standing for more than a few minutes was impossible. Even sitting was painful.
The fusion surgery produced immediate relief! And the recovery was much easier than I expected.
To this day I can do all the activities I love from hiking, to standing in a stream fly fishing to riding my bike long distances - or just walking down the street with my wife.
Kudos to Dr. Corenman and his staff, (including the two Erics) for taking such good care of me!

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Jul 9, 2020

by Leslie R on Donald Corenman, MD, DC

TLIF

I had my TLIF surgery on 6/24/2020 by Dr. Corenman, I can not say enough good things about the Dr or his staff. I was always treated with respect and explained everything throughly, that made it easy for everyone to understand. I highly recommend Dr. Corenman and the Steadman Clinic.

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