help with severe arm pain

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bigbahookie
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March 6, 2013 at 7:51 pm

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Hi there
I wonder if you could suggest a treatment to release me from the severe arm pain I have been experiencing for the last 6 months. Currently I am prescribed, 8 x co-codamol 30/500, 8 x zydol 50mg, naproxen 250mg x4, amitriptyline 100mg and gabapentin 900mg x 3 times a day.

I am still in severe pain and the most recent GP visit suggested cutting the amitriptyline to 50mg per day, and reducing my co-codamol by 1 tablet per day until I am no longer using co-codamolas he felt I shouldn’t be on co-codamol and zydol at the same time. Instead he has given me a prescription for diazepam 2mg 3 times a day.

I have been seeing an NHS physiotherapist who gives me exercises for my neck- chin tucks. I saw a neurologist who referred me for an MRI and here are the results.

There is multi level degenerative disease present most evident in the mid and lower cervical spine. There is straightening of the normal lordosis but allignment appears maintained. No definite abnormal signal identified within the cervical or upper thoracic cord, although some artifact does make interpretation difficult.

At c4/5there is broad based disc osteophyte which centrally indents the theca and mildly distorts the anterior aspect of the cord.

At C5/6 there is a broad based disc osteophyte which is a little more prominent on the right, indenting the theca and minimally flattening the right lateral aspect of the cord, No foraminal compromise.

At C6/7 there is a broad based disc osteophyte which indents the theca and flattens the anterior aspect of the cord. There is narrowing of the left foramen causing some compromise to the existing C7 nerve root.

Conclusion: Broad based disc osteophyte diseas at several levels a described with foraminal narrowing at C6/7 on the right and some compromise to the existing C7 nerve root.

I have had arm pain for 6 months and now I am feeling pain on top of shoulder, back of shoulder blade and under my arm.
I need to gain some relief from this pain so I can return to work and wonder if you could suggest any treatment which mey help,
Thanks

Donald Corenman, MD, DC
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March 10, 2013 at 10:29 pm

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I assume you have right arm pain-the same side as the spur at the C6-7 level. You have apparently failed conservative care (physical therapy and medications) and have had the symptoms for 6 months. In my opinion, you are potentially a candidate for surgery.

This is predicated on the fact that the symptoms are on the same side of the nerve compression and a physical examination confirms this is the C7 root (sensory and pain in the dermatome of C7, reflex and motor weakness possible in the C7 distribution and a positive Spurling’s compression test).

If there is any question, a selective nerve root block (SNRB-see website) could be performed to determine if this is the pain generator (see pain diary). A positive block (relief of arm pain) would confirm the diagnosis.

As I know the NHS is very slow for surgical scheduling, home traction can yield temporary relief. In addition, you can try membrane stabilizers (Lyrica, Neurontin) for temporary relief.

Dr. Corenman

PLEASE REMEMBER, THIS FORUM IS MEANT TO PROVIDE GENERAL INFORMATION ON SPINE ANATOMY, CONDITIONS AND TREATMENTS. TO GET AN ACCURATE DIAGNOSIS, YOU MUST VISIT A QUALIFIED PROFESSIONAL IN PERSON.

Donald Corenman, MD, DC is a highly-regarded spine surgeon, considered an expert in the area of neck and back pain. Trained as both a Medical Doctor and Doctor of Chiropractic, Dr. Corenman earned academic appointments as Clinical Assistant Professor and Assistant Professor of Orthopaedic Surgery at the University of Colorado Health Sciences Center, and his research on spine surgery and rehabilitation has resulted in the publication of multiple peer-reviewed articles and two books.

bigbahookie
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March 11, 2013 at 10:25 pm

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Thanks for your input. I am desperate for an end to this pain and the GP has agreed to refer me to a pain management clinic.

I have previosly asked my GP and physio about getting a steroid injection and they both said it wouldn’t help as I have nerve pain – however your reply seems to suggest itmay help.

I am going to print off your reply and take it with me to the pain clinic and hopefully they will agree to the procedure.

Regards
Carol

Donald Corenman, MD, DC
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March 13, 2013 at 6:15 pm

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Au contraire. Steroid injections are the most effective treatment in my opinion for nerve root compression.

Dr. Corenman

PLEASE REMEMBER, THIS FORUM IS MEANT TO PROVIDE GENERAL INFORMATION ON SPINE ANATOMY, CONDITIONS AND TREATMENTS. TO GET AN ACCURATE DIAGNOSIS, YOU MUST VISIT A QUALIFIED PROFESSIONAL IN PERSON.

Donald Corenman, MD, DC is a highly-regarded spine surgeon, considered an expert in the area of neck and back pain. Trained as both a Medical Doctor and Doctor of Chiropractic, Dr. Corenman earned academic appointments as Clinical Assistant Professor and Assistant Professor of Orthopaedic Surgery at the University of Colorado Health Sciences Center, and his research on spine surgery and rehabilitation has resulted in the publication of multiple peer-reviewed articles and two books.
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Sep 26, 2021

by Eric S on Donald Corenman, MD, DC

Successful pars repair at 46 years old

Back in November of 2018 (at 46 years old) I came from Vancouver BC to have a pars repair done with Dr. Donald Corenman at the Steadman Clinic in Vail Colorado. I'm finally posting this review nearly three years later in late 2021. The reason I waited so long was I wanted to know the final result before I posted my review. Unfortunately in that time Dr. Corenman has retired. Nevertheless, I want to post this review of Dr. Corenman and his staff at the Steadman Clinic in their excellent treatment of my L5 pars interarticularis.

I fractured my pars at age 42 back in 2014 when rolling on the gym floor, and was denied treatment by the Canadian healthcare system, probably due to my age. First my GP told me there was no surgical option for a pars defect, which was quite incorrect! I tried to live with it, but the symptoms worsened (periodic random spine slippage and weeks of resultant pain after just bending over to tie my shoe, so I eventually learned to mostly squat and hardly bend). When I finally consulted with Canadian spine surgeons, I was told they believed my pars defect had been congenital (since birth). This was absurd, considering I had done extreme martial arts (including jiu jitsu) for years prior, as well as 5 years of reinforcing steel full time in my 20s, probably the hardest job on the back you can find. No pars defect like mine would possibly have allowed this--ergo it was impossible that I had had the defect since birth. I did however have an asymptomatic congenital spina bifida occulta that made me more susceptible to a pars fracture. In 2014 in one instant, I went from having the strongest back people I knew said they'd ever seen, to being unable to safely bend over and tie my shoe without a non-negligible risk of my spine slipping randomly (which would lead to weeks of pain after each occurrence). This was due to the unilateral L5 pars defect, otherwise known as spondylolysis. It was when lying in pain on the floor 4 years later after maybe the 6th spine slippage event post injury, that I had had enough, and resolved to have surgery. If Canada's "universal health care" said no, I would make lemonade from lemons, and find the very best surgeon in the world at pars repairs. That was Dr. Donald Corenman. Dr. Corenman back in 2018 ran a website https://neckandback.com/ that dedicated many pages to the science of every aspect of pars repairs, from eligibility (good discs on MRI), to best surgical techniques (minimal open compared to minimally invasive), best imaging to use (i.e., O-Arm with Stealth imaging vs. older fluoroscopy), the ideal amount of BMP to use and why not use too much or too little, and much more, all to do with pars repairs, pages upon pages of his site just on the pars, with scientific references and his own extensive expert opinion. As a health research statistician, I was very impressed with this. It was in stark contrast to the websites of other spine surgeons which barely gave the pars a word or two, focusing almost exclusively on fusions. I had found the best surgeon in the world for pars repairs, and so after Dr. Corenman personally screened my MRI to ensure my discs were healthy, I booked the surgery.

Being 46 years old at the time of surgery in 2018, with a 4-year-old pars fracture from 2014 combined with a congenital SBO meant my pars fragment was somewhat atrophied, but it was "very solid", said Dr. Corenman in the operative report. Nevertheless, it was challenging with two things to fix, the pars and SBO, and OR time was around 4 hours. Recovery over the following months was guided by a very clear "Spine binder" from the Steadman Clinic with strict rules of "no BLT" (no bending, lifting or twisting), and illustrated physiotherapy guidelines. They even warned patients to avoid fish oil supplements, which could excessively dampen inflammation and hence slow bone healing. They answered many questions I had during months of recovery, with responses coming from the very supportive Lori Fugate (then director of Dr. Corenman's practice), and Ehrich Bean (then physician's assistant at the practice), as well as a couple calls with Dr. Corenman himself after two of the CT scans. Ehrich Bean offered great advice for taking the spine binder conservatively due to the nature of pars repairs vs. fusions. The final post-op CT scan I had was a couple weeks ago at 34 months post-op, and Dr. Corenman had retired, but I got a very positive and informative call from Eric Strauch (current PA at the Steadman Clinic under Dr. Corenman's replacement there, and who had also worked with Dr. Corenman previously). The staff at the Steadman Clinic were extremely supportive all the way through the process. I should mention, the local Canadian spine surgeon did offer me very good post-operative support including antibiotics as needed to deal with a mild surface incision-site infection early on, booking numerous x-rays when I felt something was amiss, as well as booking all four of my post-op CT scans. I am very grateful for that support also.

My final result shows plenty of solid bone across the pars and a healed SBO, with my vertebral body now a solid bone ring instead of being broken at two places as it was pre-op. Does my spine hold up in the real world? You bet! I have recently dug and moved several yards of dirt and sand and gravel by myself (shovel and wheelbarrow!) to fix our water main, pulled roots from the yard, moved several "portable" (these are HUGE) air conditioners up several flights of stairs my myself, and lifted weights. I now run 2 miles (3.2 KM) several times weekly with a hard 100 meter dash in the middle. I bend deeply before each run I go on, with no spine slippage. My spine feels amazing. I can bend over to do exercise, or real word tasks, with no risk of spine slippage.

My sincere thanks to God, Dr. Donald Corenman, Lori Fugate, Ehrich Bean, Eric Strauch, and the Steadman Clinic, as well as the Canadian spine surgeon who offered me excellent post-operative care back in Canada. You have all given me a new lease on life.

Sincerely,
Eric S

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May 11, 2021

by Robert S on Donald Corenman, MD, DC

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I had my entire lumbar spine fused in November of 2018. I had scoliosis , with pinched nerves that were so painful I could hardly walk - and standing for more than a few minutes was impossible. Even sitting was painful.
The fusion surgery produced immediate relief! And the recovery was much easier than I expected.
To this day I can do all the activities I love from hiking, to standing in a stream fly fishing to riding my bike long distances - or just walking down the street with my wife.
Kudos to Dr. Corenman and his staff, (including the two Erics) for taking such good care of me!

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by Leslie R on Donald Corenman, MD, DC

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I had my TLIF surgery on 6/24/2020 by Dr. Corenman, I can not say enough good things about the Dr or his staff. I was always treated with respect and explained everything throughly, that made it easy for everyone to understand. I highly recommend Dr. Corenman and the Steadman Clinic.

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