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September 2, 2021 at 6:56 am

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i also read in your website and print some pages of ddd and topic and other but i also see other
website (prevention and things u do non surgery but also lesson other lecture
i gave some typ 3 lines on the discs on CT AND MR AGAIN (I NEED TO ASK MY Q MORE SHORT AND MORE CLAER WITH NOT A LOT DTAILS (WE FINISH DISCUSE ON TOPIC D DD UPER C S .
my disc uper neck (4-5 high 2.4(but this point u need to ceck thisa level so its 2.4 mm in one cut and 2 in other and damage them its very see on image mri also ct show in uper level verterbal body more close in level C2-5 I SHARE WITH U (ITS FROM ONE MOUNT AFTER THE COLLISON BETWEEN THE MY HEAD “I am unclear what your discussion regarding the CT is about”.i talk a bout space in Atlanto-axial joint in the section of ct scan
when u see the dens in the middle ver body 2 in middle one top the dens (left and r a a j and i see space between so i real i think this joint have some oil or cartilage make the rotation in space this .
how much mm this space was normal when cut line is
i need know more but i listen to lecture(i start to listen to lecture from 2016 after my mr but not alw one dr very expert and see image of ct c and look at have really lecture long and a lot also he have.
(i m not looking down when i m typing i get the kybord to my ears (i use good posture when i do things
but my c s ddd and over years more djd or facet cartilage ostroarthithis in the neck mostly in uper joint
(this where i feel pain and its very more worse from befure 3 years 2 years off course 5 years (cumulative trauma

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September 7, 2021 at 2:24 pm

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Donald Corenman, MD, DC
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September 7, 2021 at 8:47 pm

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It is not easy to understand your thoughts due to language differences. The small smattering of images you provided appears to make your neck look more normal than abnormal if my memory serves me right. With the amount of neck pain you have and relatively normal looking CT, I would focus more on the facets being pain generators.

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September 9, 2021 at 2:27 pm

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i also think my pain its from facet (mostly c2-4 level (my pain in past was also left side (in mr i see herniated on nerve root (c3-4 left side but this was pain less (pain from facet i think the come what i feel more severe (arthritis dgd what to call (this worse from ddd (i want to show you clear image
of mr in 26 year old and the image looks good (so you really see what health of disc (in c2-4 and high and c4-5 you see the high its thin (all this affect from the trauma in pool (i push the head on backstroke swimming with all power of the swim (so its goes from the point of head all the impact to c s (so damage the uper disc more than lower (i share with u the image where i have
I have a dent in the head (and it is very symmetrical in the middle of the head exactly in the part that reaches the wall in backstroke (you saw it)
Hence of course this put pressure on to continue from this point .

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September 13, 2021 at 3:53 pm

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“am unclear what your discussion regarding the CT is about.”
I m learning something but i m in the beginning of read CT (I LOOK TO CORONAL view from the front soft tissue and look at atlanto axial joint two sides and ask myself if its (space in the joint affected to rotation in some % if its less space in join
Because my rotation to right more good from left (and on the coronal view soft tissue image see the left atalnto axial joint its less space (maybe i see u what i mean with the section of coronal view.
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September 14, 2021 at 7:21 am

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The space between the dens and the lateral masses of C1 can be variable and dependent upon the degree of rotation of your head while positioned in the CT scanner. If there is no degeneration and no ligament instability (rare), any asymmetry present may be due to positioning.

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PLEASE REMEMBER, THIS FORUM IS MEANT TO PROVIDE GENERAL INFORMATION ON SPINE ANATOMY, CONDITIONS AND TREATMENTS. TO GET AN ACCURATE DIAGNOSIS, YOU MUST VISIT A QUALIFIED PROFESSIONAL IN PERSON.

Donald Corenman, MD, DC is a highly-regarded spine surgeon, considered an expert in the area of neck and back pain. Trained as both a Medical Doctor and Doctor of Chiropractic, Dr. Corenman earned academic appointments as Clinical Assistant Professor and Assistant Professor of Orthopaedic Surgery at the University of Colorado Health Sciences Center, and his research on spine surgery and rehabilitation has resulted in the publication of multiple peer-reviewed articles and two books.
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Eric S

Sep 26, 2021

by Eric S on Donald Corenman, MD, DC

Successful pars repair at 46 years old

Back in November of 2018 (at 46 years old) I came from Vancouver BC to have a pars repair done with Dr. Donald Corenman at the Steadman Clinic in Vail Colorado. I'm finally posting this review nearly three years later in late 2021. The reason I waited so long was I wanted to know the final result before I posted my review. Unfortunately in that time Dr. Corenman has retired. Nevertheless, I want to post this review of Dr. Corenman and his staff at the Steadman Clinic in their excellent treatment of my L5 pars interarticularis.

I fractured my pars at age 42 back in 2014 when rolling on the gym floor, and was denied treatment by the Canadian healthcare system, probably due to my age. First my GP told me there was no surgical option for a pars defect, which was quite incorrect! I tried to live with it, but the symptoms worsened (periodic random spine slippage and weeks of resultant pain after just bending over to tie my shoe, so I eventually learned to mostly squat and hardly bend). When I finally consulted with Canadian spine surgeons, I was told they believed my pars defect had been congenital (since birth). This was absurd, considering I had done extreme martial arts (including jiu jitsu) for years prior, as well as 5 years of reinforcing steel full time in my 20s, probably the hardest job on the back you can find. No pars defect like mine would possibly have allowed this--ergo it was impossible that I had had the defect since birth. I did however have an asymptomatic congenital spina bifida occulta that made me more susceptible to a pars fracture. In 2014 in one instant, I went from having the strongest back people I knew said they'd ever seen, to being unable to safely bend over and tie my shoe without a non-negligible risk of my spine slipping randomly (which would lead to weeks of pain after each occurrence). This was due to the unilateral L5 pars defect, otherwise known as spondylolysis. It was when lying in pain on the floor 4 years later after maybe the 6th spine slippage event post injury, that I had had enough, and resolved to have surgery. If Canada's "universal health care" said no, I would make lemonade from lemons, and find the very best surgeon in the world at pars repairs. That was Dr. Donald Corenman. Dr. Corenman back in 2018 ran a website https://neckandback.com/ that dedicated many pages to the science of every aspect of pars repairs, from eligibility (good discs on MRI), to best surgical techniques (minimal open compared to minimally invasive), best imaging to use (i.e., O-Arm with Stealth imaging vs. older fluoroscopy), the ideal amount of BMP to use and why not use too much or too little, and much more, all to do with pars repairs, pages upon pages of his site just on the pars, with scientific references and his own extensive expert opinion. As a health research statistician, I was very impressed with this. It was in stark contrast to the websites of other spine surgeons which barely gave the pars a word or two, focusing almost exclusively on fusions. I had found the best surgeon in the world for pars repairs, and so after Dr. Corenman personally screened my MRI to ensure my discs were healthy, I booked the surgery.

Being 46 years old at the time of surgery in 2018, with a 4-year-old pars fracture from 2014 combined with a congenital SBO meant my pars fragment was somewhat atrophied, but it was "very solid", said Dr. Corenman in the operative report. Nevertheless, it was challenging with two things to fix, the pars and SBO, and OR time was around 4 hours. Recovery over the following months was guided by a very clear "Spine binder" from the Steadman Clinic with strict rules of "no BLT" (no bending, lifting or twisting), and illustrated physiotherapy guidelines. They even warned patients to avoid fish oil supplements, which could excessively dampen inflammation and hence slow bone healing. They answered many questions I had during months of recovery, with responses coming from the very supportive Lori Fugate (then director of Dr. Corenman's practice), and Ehrich Bean (then physician's assistant at the practice), as well as a couple calls with Dr. Corenman himself after two of the CT scans. Ehrich Bean offered great advice for taking the spine binder conservatively due to the nature of pars repairs vs. fusions. The final post-op CT scan I had was a couple weeks ago at 34 months post-op, and Dr. Corenman had retired, but I got a very positive and informative call from Eric Strauch (current PA at the Steadman Clinic under Dr. Corenman's replacement there, and who had also worked with Dr. Corenman previously). The staff at the Steadman Clinic were extremely supportive all the way through the process. I should mention, the local Canadian spine surgeon did offer me very good post-operative support including antibiotics as needed to deal with a mild surface incision-site infection early on, booking numerous x-rays when I felt something was amiss, as well as booking all four of my post-op CT scans. I am very grateful for that support also.

My final result shows plenty of solid bone across the pars and a healed SBO, with my vertebral body now a solid bone ring instead of being broken at two places as it was pre-op. Does my spine hold up in the real world? You bet! I have recently dug and moved several yards of dirt and sand and gravel by myself (shovel and wheelbarrow!) to fix our water main, pulled roots from the yard, moved several "portable" (these are HUGE) air conditioners up several flights of stairs my myself, and lifted weights. I now run 2 miles (3.2 KM) several times weekly with a hard 100 meter dash in the middle. I bend deeply before each run I go on, with no spine slippage. My spine feels amazing. I can bend over to do exercise, or real word tasks, with no risk of spine slippage.

My sincere thanks to God, Dr. Donald Corenman, Lori Fugate, Ehrich Bean, Eric Strauch, and the Steadman Clinic, as well as the Canadian spine surgeon who offered me excellent post-operative care back in Canada. You have all given me a new lease on life.

Sincerely,
Eric S

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May 11, 2021

by Robert S on Donald Corenman, MD, DC

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I had my entire lumbar spine fused in November of 2018. I had scoliosis , with pinched nerves that were so painful I could hardly walk - and standing for more than a few minutes was impossible. Even sitting was painful.
The fusion surgery produced immediate relief! And the recovery was much easier than I expected.
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Kudos to Dr. Corenman and his staff, (including the two Erics) for taking such good care of me!

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I had my TLIF surgery on 6/24/2020 by Dr. Corenman, I can not say enough good things about the Dr or his staff. I was always treated with respect and explained everything throughly, that made it easy for everyone to understand. I highly recommend Dr. Corenman and the Steadman Clinic.

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