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Alaskaguy9
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January 16, 2020 at 7:37 pm

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#31922

Good afternoon Dr.Coleman,

I had a ACDF C5-C7 done about a year ago and now had a updated MRI on my Lumbar spine done. The report as you can see is very short and differs very much from the previous ones, could you provide some input on this newest report?

There is no evidence for fracture or dislocation. Vertebral body
heights are maintained. The conus terminates at the L1 level. The
nerve roots have a normal configuration. No intradural mass is
identified.
The marrow signal is unremarkable.
At L5-S1, there is a left subarticular/foraminal zone disc
extrusion associated with left lateral recess stenosis and mild
to moderate left neural foraminal stenosis. No significant
central canal stenosis.
Mild degenerative facet changes in the lower lumbar spine.

Michael

Alaskaguy9
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January 16, 2020 at 7:40 pm

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#31923

This was the MRI finding from last year, it seems more detailed…
L5-S1 Loss of disc signal. Mild diffuse disc bulge. Mild biteral facet hypertrophy. No central stenosis. Left foraminal disc protrusion. Left foraminal disc protrusion causes moderate to severe left neural foraminal narrowing and impinges on the exiting left L5 nerve root. Mild right neuroforaminal narrowing secondary to disc disease and facet hypertrophy.

Impression

L5-s1 degenerative disc disease

L4-L5 and L5-S1 facet arthropathy

No central stenosis

Moderate to severe left and mild right L5-S1 neural foraminal narrowing. Mild bilateral L4-L5 neural foraminal narrowing.

Flattening deformity of the exiting left L5 nerve root secondary to left disc protrusion.

Any help or giving me an idea how bad this is I would appreciate.

Donald Corenman, MD, DC
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January 18, 2020 at 1:21 pm

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#31934

The new report notes “At L5-S1, there is a left subarticular/foraminal zone disc extrusion associated with left lateral recess stenosis and mild to moderate left neural foraminal stenosis”.This is compared to the year-old report “Left foraminal disc protrusion. Left foraminal disc protrusion causes moderate to severe left neural foraminal narrowing and impinges on the exiting left L5 nerve root”

Your L5 nerve on the left is compressed in the foramen at L5-S1. Interestingly enough, there are some individuals who have this finding without symptoms so I assume you have left lower leg pain. Treatment depends upon the severity of your symptoms and physical examination findings.

Dr. Corenman

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Donald Corenman, MD, DC is a highly-regarded spine surgeon, considered an expert in the area of neck and back pain. Trained as both a Medical Doctor and Doctor of Chiropractic, Dr. Corenman earned academic appointments as Clinical Assistant Professor and Assistant Professor of Orthopaedic Surgery at the University of Colorado Health Sciences Center, and his research on spine surgery and rehabilitation has resulted in the publication of multiple peer-reviewed articles and two books.

Alaskaguy9
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January 19, 2020 at 9:37 am

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#31941

Thank ou for your advice Dr. Coreman,
I do have pain in my left leg, sometimes to the extent that my primary care provider assumed kidney stones. The pain is not just in my lower leg, but radiates from the buttocks down. I did receive epidural shots and had PT, it just seems to get worse..especially after I had the cervical fusion last year. What other treatment options are there, I just dont want to wait as I did with my cervical spine? Also, the last time I received shots in my lower back I stayed numb for almost a day from my hips down and truth to be told urinated myself several times at the hospital.

Michael

Alaskaguy9
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January 19, 2020 at 9:45 am

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#31942

In addition, and I apologize Dr. Coreman
What is the difference between a protrusion and a extrusion, also in terms of severity. So I have an idea of what my doctor will recommend.
Thank you for taking your time
Michael

Donald Corenman, MD, DC
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January 19, 2020 at 10:02 am

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#31943

You probably have nerve root compression causing much of your pain. You most likely will need surgery after failing PT and epidurals . The surgery is dependent on your imaging studies. If you have foraminal collapse, you would need a fusion. If you have an extruded herniation that is removable without having taking off too much of the facet (which would require a fusion), them a decompression and microdiscectomy might be all you need.

Dr. Corenman

PLEASE REMEMBER, THIS FORUM IS MEANT TO PROVIDE GENERAL INFORMATION ON SPINE ANATOMY, CONDITIONS AND TREATMENTS. TO GET AN ACCURATE DIAGNOSIS, YOU MUST VISIT A QUALIFIED PROFESSIONAL IN PERSON.

Donald Corenman, MD, DC is a highly-regarded spine surgeon, considered an expert in the area of neck and back pain. Trained as both a Medical Doctor and Doctor of Chiropractic, Dr. Corenman earned academic appointments as Clinical Assistant Professor and Assistant Professor of Orthopaedic Surgery at the University of Colorado Health Sciences Center, and his research on spine surgery and rehabilitation has resulted in the publication of multiple peer-reviewed articles and two books.
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Eric S

Sep 26, 2021

by Eric S on Donald Corenman, MD, DC

Successful pars repair at 46 years old

Back in November of 2018 (at 46 years old) I came from Vancouver BC to have a pars repair done with Dr. Donald Corenman at the Steadman Clinic in Vail Colorado. I'm finally posting this review nearly three years later in late 2021. The reason I waited so long was I wanted to know the final result before I posted my review. Unfortunately in that time Dr. Corenman has retired. Nevertheless, I want to post this review of Dr. Corenman and his staff at the Steadman Clinic in their excellent treatment of my L5 pars interarticularis.

I fractured my pars at age 42 back in 2014 when rolling on the gym floor, and was denied treatment by the Canadian healthcare system, probably due to my age. First my GP told me there was no surgical option for a pars defect, which was quite incorrect! I tried to live with it, but the symptoms worsened (periodic random spine slippage and weeks of resultant pain after just bending over to tie my shoe, so I eventually learned to mostly squat and hardly bend). When I finally consulted with Canadian spine surgeons, I was told they believed my pars defect had been congenital (since birth). This was absurd, considering I had done extreme martial arts (including jiu jitsu) for years prior, as well as 5 years of reinforcing steel full time in my 20s, probably the hardest job on the back you can find. No pars defect like mine would possibly have allowed this--ergo it was impossible that I had had the defect since birth. I did however have an asymptomatic congenital spina bifida occulta that made me more susceptible to a pars fracture. In 2014 in one instant, I went from having the strongest back people I knew said they'd ever seen, to being unable to safely bend over and tie my shoe without a non-negligible risk of my spine slipping randomly (which would lead to weeks of pain after each occurrence). This was due to the unilateral L5 pars defect, otherwise known as spondylolysis. It was when lying in pain on the floor 4 years later after maybe the 6th spine slippage event post injury, that I had had enough, and resolved to have surgery. If Canada's "universal health care" said no, I would make lemonade from lemons, and find the very best surgeon in the world at pars repairs. That was Dr. Donald Corenman. Dr. Corenman back in 2018 ran a website https://neckandback.com/ that dedicated many pages to the science of every aspect of pars repairs, from eligibility (good discs on MRI), to best surgical techniques (minimal open compared to minimally invasive), best imaging to use (i.e., O-Arm with Stealth imaging vs. older fluoroscopy), the ideal amount of BMP to use and why not use too much or too little, and much more, all to do with pars repairs, pages upon pages of his site just on the pars, with scientific references and his own extensive expert opinion. As a health research statistician, I was very impressed with this. It was in stark contrast to the websites of other spine surgeons which barely gave the pars a word or two, focusing almost exclusively on fusions. I had found the best surgeon in the world for pars repairs, and so after Dr. Corenman personally screened my MRI to ensure my discs were healthy, I booked the surgery.

Being 46 years old at the time of surgery in 2018, with a 4-year-old pars fracture from 2014 combined with a congenital SBO meant my pars fragment was somewhat atrophied, but it was "very solid", said Dr. Corenman in the operative report. Nevertheless, it was challenging with two things to fix, the pars and SBO, and OR time was around 4 hours. Recovery over the following months was guided by a very clear "Spine binder" from the Steadman Clinic with strict rules of "no BLT" (no bending, lifting or twisting), and illustrated physiotherapy guidelines. They even warned patients to avoid fish oil supplements, which could excessively dampen inflammation and hence slow bone healing. They answered many questions I had during months of recovery, with responses coming from the very supportive Lori Fugate (then director of Dr. Corenman's practice), and Ehrich Bean (then physician's assistant at the practice), as well as a couple calls with Dr. Corenman himself after two of the CT scans. Ehrich Bean offered great advice for taking the spine binder conservatively due to the nature of pars repairs vs. fusions. The final post-op CT scan I had was a couple weeks ago at 34 months post-op, and Dr. Corenman had retired, but I got a very positive and informative call from Eric Strauch (current PA at the Steadman Clinic under Dr. Corenman's replacement there, and who had also worked with Dr. Corenman previously). The staff at the Steadman Clinic were extremely supportive all the way through the process. I should mention, the local Canadian spine surgeon did offer me very good post-operative support including antibiotics as needed to deal with a mild surface incision-site infection early on, booking numerous x-rays when I felt something was amiss, as well as booking all four of my post-op CT scans. I am very grateful for that support also.

My final result shows plenty of solid bone across the pars and a healed SBO, with my vertebral body now a solid bone ring instead of being broken at two places as it was pre-op. Does my spine hold up in the real world? You bet! I have recently dug and moved several yards of dirt and sand and gravel by myself (shovel and wheelbarrow!) to fix our water main, pulled roots from the yard, moved several "portable" (these are HUGE) air conditioners up several flights of stairs my myself, and lifted weights. I now run 2 miles (3.2 KM) several times weekly with a hard 100 meter dash in the middle. I bend deeply before each run I go on, with no spine slippage. My spine feels amazing. I can bend over to do exercise, or real word tasks, with no risk of spine slippage.

My sincere thanks to God, Dr. Donald Corenman, Lori Fugate, Ehrich Bean, Eric Strauch, and the Steadman Clinic, as well as the Canadian spine surgeon who offered me excellent post-operative care back in Canada. You have all given me a new lease on life.

Sincerely,
Eric S

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by Robert S on Donald Corenman, MD, DC

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I had my entire lumbar spine fused in November of 2018. I had scoliosis , with pinched nerves that were so painful I could hardly walk - and standing for more than a few minutes was impossible. Even sitting was painful.
The fusion surgery produced immediate relief! And the recovery was much easier than I expected.
To this day I can do all the activities I love from hiking, to standing in a stream fly fishing to riding my bike long distances - or just walking down the street with my wife.
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I had my TLIF surgery on 6/24/2020 by Dr. Corenman, I can not say enough good things about the Dr or his staff. I was always treated with respect and explained everything throughly, that made it easy for everyone to understand. I highly recommend Dr. Corenman and the Steadman Clinic.

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