my 4 yr old and a neck injury

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kelleydr72
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September 28, 2013 at 1:05 pm

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my son had a fall from 5 or 6 ft up head first onto concrete from a playground structure, on july 27th. He immediately had a nosebleed but was moving arms and legs, so I stood him up and he raised his arms and shoulders and grimacing screaming, MY NECK! I took him to a hospital but they said oh well I think he is a 3 outta four and not a serious injury. So he played and seemed ok so we left. that night I noticed a rt scalp goose egg. The next day he was ok, but by the next day he could not look up at all. I took him back and a xray showed soft tissue prominence. So they suggested CT and we waited NPO for 5 hrs. At the time we were to do CT the new doc on shift came in and took me out to a computer showing me the xray. It was greek to me, but he said it was normal for chunky kids like mine, and sent us out. I got a copy and googled the result and was appalled and called the ER. They said oh he is fine and send him back to school. DONT come back here. I waited and a week later, Then I returned there and said you need to Rule out his injury definitively or the consequences could be catastrophic w a neck injury. They reluctantly ordered a CT, and still NO Neck brace and held him down 4-5 times afterwords. Sedation failed 3 times and we were admitted and the next am, a MRI of the neck was done. marrow edema at C1, and also fluid at the c1 c2 capsular articulation was noted. My son had to wear a c-collar for one month. He started c/o headaches and once I was changing the pads and my son dipped his head down and back and I heard a crackling noise. The neurosurgeon made no concern regarding the click and his resident stated this is NORMAL everyone has cracking bones. I went back for a Davis series sept 6th and my son did extension and flexion x rays. Immediately afterword the Dr. came and stated, Noah does not have to wear a brace anymore and I will send a letter to your pediatrician, but he never did. He added no follow ups were needed. Ten days later my son was leaning his head back as I washed his hair and he said MOM, you hurt my neck and got out and ran to the toilet and said I am going to throw up! This was reported to neurologist and still no call back as if not to worry about it. So, does this sound like standard of care for his injury as far as a month in a c-collar and no follow ups although he had nausea and pain still? Would DMX xrays help find out what is wrong, and if the injury is stable? I wanna know for sure that he is not going to fall running or playing or in the future with sports, that he wont have a weak neck and become paralyzed or worse. I know the care was bad, at the hospital because the grievance committee dropped all bills. I do not trust them really now so If it was your child what would you do? thanks Kelley RN at Baylor Medical Center Irving ortho/neuro unit

Donald Corenman, MD, DC
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September 28, 2013 at 8:08 pm

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You have run into the typical bureaucracy of a teaching hospital where everyone is overworked and there is no one individual who takes responsibility for one patient.

Children of your son’s age can injure growth plates which are made of cartilage and do not show up very well on X-rays and CT scans. MRIs are more sensitive and it seems like an injury to the C1-2 region was likely; “marrow edema at C1, and also fluid at the c1 c2 capsular articulation was noted”.

Children can heal quickly and hopefully in six weeks your son has healed his injury. New X-rays should demonstrate normal anatomical relationships and flexion/extension X-rays can be quite helpful. I am not a fan of DMX (video X-rays) as they are not generally helpful and expose the patient to tremendous amounts of X-ray radiation.

A good pediatric orthopaedic spine surgeon at a local children’s hospital should be able to look at your son and give you peace of mind.

Dr. Corenman

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Sep 26, 2021

by Eric S on Donald Corenman, MD, DC

Successful pars repair at 46 years old

Back in November of 2018 (at 46 years old) I came from Vancouver BC to have a pars repair done with Dr. Donald Corenman at the Steadman Clinic in Vail Colorado. I'm finally posting this review nearly three years later in late 2021. The reason I waited so long was I wanted to know the final result before I posted my review. Unfortunately in that time Dr. Corenman has retired. Nevertheless, I want to post this review of Dr. Corenman and his staff at the Steadman Clinic in their excellent treatment of my L5 pars interarticularis.

I fractured my pars at age 42 back in 2014 when rolling on the gym floor, and was denied treatment by the Canadian healthcare system, probably due to my age. First my GP told me there was no surgical option for a pars defect, which was quite incorrect! I tried to live with it, but the symptoms worsened (periodic random spine slippage and weeks of resultant pain after just bending over to tie my shoe, so I eventually learned to mostly squat and hardly bend). When I finally consulted with Canadian spine surgeons, I was told they believed my pars defect had been congenital (since birth). This was absurd, considering I had done extreme martial arts (including jiu jitsu) for years prior, as well as 5 years of reinforcing steel full time in my 20s, probably the hardest job on the back you can find. No pars defect like mine would possibly have allowed this--ergo it was impossible that I had had the defect since birth. I did however have an asymptomatic congenital spina bifida occulta that made me more susceptible to a pars fracture. In 2014 in one instant, I went from having the strongest back people I knew said they'd ever seen, to being unable to safely bend over and tie my shoe without a non-negligible risk of my spine slipping randomly (which would lead to weeks of pain after each occurrence). This was due to the unilateral L5 pars defect, otherwise known as spondylolysis. It was when lying in pain on the floor 4 years later after maybe the 6th spine slippage event post injury, that I had had enough, and resolved to have surgery. If Canada's "universal health care" said no, I would make lemonade from lemons, and find the very best surgeon in the world at pars repairs. That was Dr. Donald Corenman. Dr. Corenman back in 2018 ran a website https://neckandback.com/ that dedicated many pages to the science of every aspect of pars repairs, from eligibility (good discs on MRI), to best surgical techniques (minimal open compared to minimally invasive), best imaging to use (i.e., O-Arm with Stealth imaging vs. older fluoroscopy), the ideal amount of BMP to use and why not use too much or too little, and much more, all to do with pars repairs, pages upon pages of his site just on the pars, with scientific references and his own extensive expert opinion. As a health research statistician, I was very impressed with this. It was in stark contrast to the websites of other spine surgeons which barely gave the pars a word or two, focusing almost exclusively on fusions. I had found the best surgeon in the world for pars repairs, and so after Dr. Corenman personally screened my MRI to ensure my discs were healthy, I booked the surgery.

Being 46 years old at the time of surgery in 2018, with a 4-year-old pars fracture from 2014 combined with a congenital SBO meant my pars fragment was somewhat atrophied, but it was "very solid", said Dr. Corenman in the operative report. Nevertheless, it was challenging with two things to fix, the pars and SBO, and OR time was around 4 hours. Recovery over the following months was guided by a very clear "Spine binder" from the Steadman Clinic with strict rules of "no BLT" (no bending, lifting or twisting), and illustrated physiotherapy guidelines. They even warned patients to avoid fish oil supplements, which could excessively dampen inflammation and hence slow bone healing. They answered many questions I had during months of recovery, with responses coming from the very supportive Lori Fugate (then director of Dr. Corenman's practice), and Ehrich Bean (then physician's assistant at the practice), as well as a couple calls with Dr. Corenman himself after two of the CT scans. Ehrich Bean offered great advice for taking the spine binder conservatively due to the nature of pars repairs vs. fusions. The final post-op CT scan I had was a couple weeks ago at 34 months post-op, and Dr. Corenman had retired, but I got a very positive and informative call from Eric Strauch (current PA at the Steadman Clinic under Dr. Corenman's replacement there, and who had also worked with Dr. Corenman previously). The staff at the Steadman Clinic were extremely supportive all the way through the process. I should mention, the local Canadian spine surgeon did offer me very good post-operative support including antibiotics as needed to deal with a mild surface incision-site infection early on, booking numerous x-rays when I felt something was amiss, as well as booking all four of my post-op CT scans. I am very grateful for that support also.

My final result shows plenty of solid bone across the pars and a healed SBO, with my vertebral body now a solid bone ring instead of being broken at two places as it was pre-op. Does my spine hold up in the real world? You bet! I have recently dug and moved several yards of dirt and sand and gravel by myself (shovel and wheelbarrow!) to fix our water main, pulled roots from the yard, moved several "portable" (these are HUGE) air conditioners up several flights of stairs my myself, and lifted weights. I now run 2 miles (3.2 KM) several times weekly with a hard 100 meter dash in the middle. I bend deeply before each run I go on, with no spine slippage. My spine feels amazing. I can bend over to do exercise, or real word tasks, with no risk of spine slippage.

My sincere thanks to God, Dr. Donald Corenman, Lori Fugate, Ehrich Bean, Eric Strauch, and the Steadman Clinic, as well as the Canadian spine surgeon who offered me excellent post-operative care back in Canada. You have all given me a new lease on life.

Sincerely,
Eric S

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May 11, 2021

by Robert S on Donald Corenman, MD, DC

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I had my entire lumbar spine fused in November of 2018. I had scoliosis , with pinched nerves that were so painful I could hardly walk - and standing for more than a few minutes was impossible. Even sitting was painful.
The fusion surgery produced immediate relief! And the recovery was much easier than I expected.
To this day I can do all the activities I love from hiking, to standing in a stream fly fishing to riding my bike long distances - or just walking down the street with my wife.
Kudos to Dr. Corenman and his staff, (including the two Erics) for taking such good care of me!

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Jul 9, 2020

by Leslie R on Donald Corenman, MD, DC

TLIF

I had my TLIF surgery on 6/24/2020 by Dr. Corenman, I can not say enough good things about the Dr or his staff. I was always treated with respect and explained everything throughly, that made it easy for everyone to understand. I highly recommend Dr. Corenman and the Steadman Clinic.

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