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drayhazel
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January 28, 2013 at 11:45 am

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Dr. Corenman, I was hit by a 40ft.tree square on the head, I was wearing a helmet, I instantly felt an excruciating pain at the base of my neck as I was knocked to the ground. This was in Feb.2012 I had surgery in June 2012 C-7/ T-1 disc removal and fusion with hard ware. Since the surgery the pain in my neck, with burning and pins and needles, pain in my arm and right hand, fingers are tight with pain and I am losing ability of graspimg things because of the pain in my fingers is getting worse. When I move my head and pick my right arm up to shave my head I get a stabbing pain beneath my shoulder blade, pain in my arm and shoulder and pain in my fingers, it gets hard to hold onto the razor. Sitting here typing this my neck is burning and my fingers in my right hand are getting tight, I can’t make a fist…I had a MRI with contrast in Nov. 2012 and the doc said there was some blockage or interferience on the left side…..I think I have nerve damage, do you think a CT Myloegram would be a wise choice or does the MRI with contrast give the same results…..I am 53, I have gone from doing 100 pushups a day and benching 300lbs. to not even being able to cook a big meal, or doing dishes without having to go sit for the rest of the day and take pain meds……..Any advise you could give me would be greatly appreciated.

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Donald Corenman, MD, DC
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January 28, 2013 at 12:11 pm

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At this point there are a number of differentials. Is there a problem with the surgery or healing from the surgery? Is there some remaining nerve compression? Is there permanent damage of the cord or nerve roots? Is there another problem such as thoracic outlet syndrome?

You have many unanswered questions that need to be addressed. An MRI with gadolinium and a CT scan without a myelogram would be a good start. A good diagnostician consultation is important.

Dr. Corenman

PLEASE REMEMBER, THIS FORUM IS MEANT TO PROVIDE GENERAL INFORMATION ON SPINE ANATOMY, CONDITIONS AND TREATMENTS. TO GET AN ACCURATE DIAGNOSIS, YOU MUST VISIT A QUALIFIED PROFESSIONAL IN PERSON.

Donald Corenman, MD, DC is a highly-regarded spine surgeon, considered an expert in the area of neck and back pain. Trained as both a Medical Doctor and Doctor of Chiropractic, Dr. Corenman earned academic appointments as Clinical Assistant Professor and Assistant Professor of Orthopaedic Surgery at the University of Colorado Health Sciences Center, and his research on spine surgery and rehabilitation has resulted in the publication of multiple peer-reviewed articles and two books.

Tammysroses
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January 28, 2013 at 11:45 pm

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Dear Dr. Corenman,

For 8 months I have had leg pain (both legs)stiffness,muscle twitching,the pain never goes away,..When sitting buttocks and lower back to top of thighs hurt.have a buzzing sensation in legs here and there..Been ruled out for ms had 2 brain MRI’s EMT,NCS.Blood work..The pain is so bad…I did have an Mri of lumbar but they do not seem so worried about this..that was 5 months ago…The MRI says…

There is a T2 signal loss and narrowing involvingThe T11-12, L3-4 and l4-5 disc spaces reflecting desiccation and degeneration.

L3-4 minimal broad based protrusion..grade 1 the facets are mildly degenerated.

L4-5 there is minimal right lateral protrusions..grade 1.. the facets are slightly degenerated…

And I have unilateral pars intrarticular defect on the right aspect of L5….

Anyway symptoms are worse now since this was last done..Feet hurt alot too and there is some numbness…

I have been looking for a doctor to help me out..I live in Colorado 3 hours from vail.. But willing to travel need help….

What do you think of this?

Tammy…

Donald Corenman, MD, DC
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January 29, 2013 at 2:01 am

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Your pain symptoms have many potential structures that could cause these symptoms. There are some inconsistencies however regarding your MRI findings and your pain that question whether the pain originates from the lumbar spine.

Unilateral disc protrusions should obviously not cause bilaterally equal pain which is what you note. A pars fracture on only one side without degenerative changes of that disc (L5-S1) is very unusual also. You note no lower back pain. Did I misunderstand that?

A neurologist might be helpful and an EMG/NCV test might shed some light on the origin of the symptoms.

Dr. Corenman

PLEASE REMEMBER, THIS FORUM IS MEANT TO PROVIDE GENERAL INFORMATION ON SPINE ANATOMY, CONDITIONS AND TREATMENTS. TO GET AN ACCURATE DIAGNOSIS, YOU MUST VISIT A QUALIFIED PROFESSIONAL IN PERSON.

Donald Corenman, MD, DC is a highly-regarded spine surgeon, considered an expert in the area of neck and back pain. Trained as both a Medical Doctor and Doctor of Chiropractic, Dr. Corenman earned academic appointments as Clinical Assistant Professor and Assistant Professor of Orthopaedic Surgery at the University of Colorado Health Sciences Center, and his research on spine surgery and rehabilitation has resulted in the publication of multiple peer-reviewed articles and two books.

drayhazel
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January 29, 2013 at 3:19 am

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Dr. Corenman thanks for your reply…I have had a MRI with contrast and one doc said there was obstruction and another said there was nothing. Have had a CT scan after my surgery and was told everything was normal with good fusion…So, waht is causing the pain in my neck all the way down my arm into my hands. My fingers are tight, can’t make a fist and are very painful….Is there a nerve study or something that shows nerve or spinal cord damage?

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Eric S

Sep 26, 2021

by Eric S on Donald Corenman, MD, DC

Successful pars repair at 46 years old

Back in November of 2018 (at 46 years old) I came from Vancouver BC to have a pars repair done with Dr. Donald Corenman at the Steadman Clinic in Vail Colorado. I'm finally posting this review nearly three years later in late 2021. The reason I waited so long was I wanted to know the final result before I posted my review. Unfortunately in that time Dr. Corenman has retired. Nevertheless, I want to post this review of Dr. Corenman and his staff at the Steadman Clinic in their excellent treatment of my L5 pars interarticularis.

I fractured my pars at age 42 back in 2014 when rolling on the gym floor, and was denied treatment by the Canadian healthcare system, probably due to my age. First my GP told me there was no surgical option for a pars defect, which was quite incorrect! I tried to live with it, but the symptoms worsened (periodic random spine slippage and weeks of resultant pain after just bending over to tie my shoe, so I eventually learned to mostly squat and hardly bend). When I finally consulted with Canadian spine surgeons, I was told they believed my pars defect had been congenital (since birth). This was absurd, considering I had done extreme martial arts (including jiu jitsu) for years prior, as well as 5 years of reinforcing steel full time in my 20s, probably the hardest job on the back you can find. No pars defect like mine would possibly have allowed this--ergo it was impossible that I had had the defect since birth. I did however have an asymptomatic congenital spina bifida occulta that made me more susceptible to a pars fracture. In 2014 in one instant, I went from having the strongest back people I knew said they'd ever seen, to being unable to safely bend over and tie my shoe without a non-negligible risk of my spine slipping randomly (which would lead to weeks of pain after each occurrence). This was due to the unilateral L5 pars defect, otherwise known as spondylolysis. It was when lying in pain on the floor 4 years later after maybe the 6th spine slippage event post injury, that I had had enough, and resolved to have surgery. If Canada's "universal health care" said no, I would make lemonade from lemons, and find the very best surgeon in the world at pars repairs. That was Dr. Donald Corenman. Dr. Corenman back in 2018 ran a website https://neckandback.com/ that dedicated many pages to the science of every aspect of pars repairs, from eligibility (good discs on MRI), to best surgical techniques (minimal open compared to minimally invasive), best imaging to use (i.e., O-Arm with Stealth imaging vs. older fluoroscopy), the ideal amount of BMP to use and why not use too much or too little, and much more, all to do with pars repairs, pages upon pages of his site just on the pars, with scientific references and his own extensive expert opinion. As a health research statistician, I was very impressed with this. It was in stark contrast to the websites of other spine surgeons which barely gave the pars a word or two, focusing almost exclusively on fusions. I had found the best surgeon in the world for pars repairs, and so after Dr. Corenman personally screened my MRI to ensure my discs were healthy, I booked the surgery.

Being 46 years old at the time of surgery in 2018, with a 4-year-old pars fracture from 2014 combined with a congenital SBO meant my pars fragment was somewhat atrophied, but it was "very solid", said Dr. Corenman in the operative report. Nevertheless, it was challenging with two things to fix, the pars and SBO, and OR time was around 4 hours. Recovery over the following months was guided by a very clear "Spine binder" from the Steadman Clinic with strict rules of "no BLT" (no bending, lifting or twisting), and illustrated physiotherapy guidelines. They even warned patients to avoid fish oil supplements, which could excessively dampen inflammation and hence slow bone healing. They answered many questions I had during months of recovery, with responses coming from the very supportive Lori Fugate (then director of Dr. Corenman's practice), and Ehrich Bean (then physician's assistant at the practice), as well as a couple calls with Dr. Corenman himself after two of the CT scans. Ehrich Bean offered great advice for taking the spine binder conservatively due to the nature of pars repairs vs. fusions. The final post-op CT scan I had was a couple weeks ago at 34 months post-op, and Dr. Corenman had retired, but I got a very positive and informative call from Eric Strauch (current PA at the Steadman Clinic under Dr. Corenman's replacement there, and who had also worked with Dr. Corenman previously). The staff at the Steadman Clinic were extremely supportive all the way through the process. I should mention, the local Canadian spine surgeon did offer me very good post-operative support including antibiotics as needed to deal with a mild surface incision-site infection early on, booking numerous x-rays when I felt something was amiss, as well as booking all four of my post-op CT scans. I am very grateful for that support also.

My final result shows plenty of solid bone across the pars and a healed SBO, with my vertebral body now a solid bone ring instead of being broken at two places as it was pre-op. Does my spine hold up in the real world? You bet! I have recently dug and moved several yards of dirt and sand and gravel by myself (shovel and wheelbarrow!) to fix our water main, pulled roots from the yard, moved several "portable" (these are HUGE) air conditioners up several flights of stairs my myself, and lifted weights. I now run 2 miles (3.2 KM) several times weekly with a hard 100 meter dash in the middle. I bend deeply before each run I go on, with no spine slippage. My spine feels amazing. I can bend over to do exercise, or real word tasks, with no risk of spine slippage.

My sincere thanks to God, Dr. Donald Corenman, Lori Fugate, Ehrich Bean, Eric Strauch, and the Steadman Clinic, as well as the Canadian spine surgeon who offered me excellent post-operative care back in Canada. You have all given me a new lease on life.

Sincerely,
Eric S

Robert S

May 11, 2021

by Robert S on Donald Corenman, MD, DC

Back Fusion Surgery

I had my entire lumbar spine fused in November of 2018. I had scoliosis , with pinched nerves that were so painful I could hardly walk - and standing for more than a few minutes was impossible. Even sitting was painful.
The fusion surgery produced immediate relief! And the recovery was much easier than I expected.
To this day I can do all the activities I love from hiking, to standing in a stream fly fishing to riding my bike long distances - or just walking down the street with my wife.
Kudos to Dr. Corenman and his staff, (including the two Erics) for taking such good care of me!

Leslie R

Jul 9, 2020

by Leslie R on Donald Corenman, MD, DC

TLIF

I had my TLIF surgery on 6/24/2020 by Dr. Corenman, I can not say enough good things about the Dr or his staff. I was always treated with respect and explained everything throughly, that made it easy for everyone to understand. I highly recommend Dr. Corenman and the Steadman Clinic.

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